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abu garcia record no. 60 rebuild

Old 04-16-2006, 09:13 PM
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pull up the schematic and follow along with me....

http://mikesreelrepair.com/schematic...%2015%2000.pdf


every once in a while i get something new. that was the case here. this box arrived from alaska. hmmmm, carbon matrix drags? i wonder what this is all about?



i pulled it out of the box and the first thing i noticed was the weight. it's heavy! much heavier that a normal ambassaduer. i ran into the house and grabbed my camera. i've done an ambassaduer post already, but i knew this one would be different.



this one had a very nice live bait handle. the levelwind assembly is basically the same as all the other ambassaduers. i fix alot of penn levewind assemblies, but not many abu's.



the spool design was interesting as well. i'm not quite sure why it would be beveled like this.



the left side plate should not be removed. just back out one left side plate screw (key #199) at a time, grease the hole, zip the screw back in, and move on to the next one.



back out the three right side plate screws (no key #), remove the right side plate assembly and the spool.





add a little corrosion x to the left side plate bearing (key #5230), the idler gear (key #1117079), the worm gear (key #5205), and the click plate assembly (key #12642).



now for the spool. remove the spool shaft (key #1117122).



lube the right spool bearing.



pull the white nylon sprocket gear (key #23403) and lube the left spool bearing (key #19843).... HEY, WHAT'S THIS!!!!!! SOME CHEAPSKATE PUT A BRASS BUSHING INSIDE INSTEAD OF A BEARING!!!!!! WHAT A BUNCH OF CROOKS!!!!! well, i guess i shouldn't say that because i don't really know for sure. it could have been an honest mistake, or they could have intended it to be that way, it which case, it might still be an honest mistake (right?).



i have whole box full of extra bearings, so i'll just switch it out and lube this bearing with corrosion x as well.



and back into the frame it goes.



now for the right side plate. remove the set screw (key #14868) and retaining collar (key #20944).



remove the handle nut (key #5327).



remove the c - clip.



remove the handle (key #1117097), the spring (key #5115), the star (key #1117091) and both spring washers (key #5131) and line everything up.



remove both bridge screws (key #13369).



separate the right side plate cover (key #1117131) from the baseplate assembly.



line up all the components of the gear cluster. interesting, it looks like ambassaduer has switched over to dry carbon fiber drag washers (key #1116906) inside the gear and a hard fiber washer (key #13169) underneath the gear.



i'm going to substitute a penn ht-100 drag washer for the hard fiber washer (key #13169).



this penn washer is a penn ht-100 #6-965. this washer has been cut down from 24mm down to 15-17mm. it fits nicely under the gears of the ambassaduers and the smaller shimano bait casters.



because this penn washer is thicker than the stock ambassaduer fiber washer, it is necessary to remove the small brass thrust washer (key #5189) underneath the gear sleeve (key #22079). i am quite certain that these carbon fiber drag washers will have the same high failure rate as penn ht-100's following water or oil intrusion. i highly recommend a thick coat of shimano drag grease and then rebuild the drag stack.



pull the anti-reverse roller bearing sleeve (key #22001).



install it on the gear sleeve with a little grease (they get stuck easily).



grease the bridge screw holes.



grease the side plate screws (no key #).



lube the right side plate bearing (key #5230) with corrosion x.



slide the right side plate cover (key #1117131) straight down on top of the base plate assembly and install the two bridge screws (key #13369).



hold the thumb bar in the "up" position and the right side plate assembly should match up perfectly with the frame.



zip down the frame screws until they seat, then cinch then down a little extra until they are snug. use good mechanical judgement and don't snap off any heads.



install the spring washers (key #5131) in the "()" position.



install the star (key #1117091) and the spring (key #5115) with a little grease.



install the handle (key #1117097) and c-clip (key#4490).



add a little grease and install the handle nut (key #20944).



install the handle nut collar (key #20944) and set screw (key #14868).



clean off the excess grease and you're done!


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Old 04-17-2006, 07:01 AM
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Great post, Alan. Very informative and great pics. I think that's what I like best about these posts.

Buuut

No-- not crooks, not cheapskates, no mistakes. The Abu engineers seldom make mistakes; only things not immediately understood.

The new spool and bearing setup is part of the new Sensi-Brake system. What you can't see is that there is a one-way roller bearing that lives in the spool and only acts upon the axle in the casting, line-release direction, making it effectively similar to previous live-axle Ambassadeur designs. The mechanical (as opposed to centrifugal) casting brake acts upon the axle by way of the washer & bearing arrangement toward the left side plate. Upon retrieve the spool is free to revolve by way of only the pinion and spool, and friction from the axle and casting brake will not be felt.

Clever, no?

Regarding the thrust washer under the sleeve, it is there for a reason of course. Wear. The diameter and thickness of the undergear washer is such as to ensure clearance and proper action for the antireverse dog leaves ( which the Record doesn't have iirc) as well as the clutch trip release lever. Also iirc the said diameter of 15-17 mm is just about perfect. Think we talked about this before once.

The spool is the HC spool (for High Capacity) version, as opposed to the also available large-arbor whiffle-spool. Don't recall what exactly the reasoning behind the taper was.

Anyway, the Record has been well received by the masses, and Abu themselves are quite satisfied with their achievement ( I met the production manager & acting CEO last week, coincidentally) and are looking forward to breaking new barriers.

...and before someone even mentions it, no-- they are made in Sweden, not Asiafricania or Hu Flung Dungonia os Somewhereton.

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Old 04-17-2006, 07:06 AM
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That reel looked brand new. Why work one over like that? Keep it new inside?
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Old 04-17-2006, 08:17 AM
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Great post as always Alan, thanks for putting it up for us.

One question: When you pulled the the anti-reverse roller bearing sleeve (key #22001), were the rollers in that bearing caged....or just held in place with grease? That looked just a little SCARY to me!

With my luck, that would gave been a dry bearing, and when I pulled the inner race, those rollers would have fallen down like fiddlesticks...
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Old 04-17-2006, 02:03 PM
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The new spool and bearing setup is part of the new Sensi-Brake system. What you can't see is that there is a one-way roller bearing that lives in the spool and only acts upon the axle in the casting, line-release direction, making it effectively similar to previous live-axle Ambassadeur designs. The mechanical (as opposed to centrifugal) casting brake acts upon the axle by way of the washer & bearing arrangement toward the left side plate. Upon retrieve the spool is free to revolve by way of only the pinion and spool, and friction from the axle and casting brake will not be felt. Clever, no? Doc.
so in other words, i just screwed up this guys reel !!!!!!!!!!!!

i hope you can understand my surprise when i saw the bushing. i'm going to have to study up on distance casting. i'm a boat guy. if i want to drop a bait in certain spot, i just drive over. you can tell that i'm definitely pushing the limits of my knowledge, and i'm very grateful to have you around. seriously, this is great! i can make a mess and i know you'll always be around to clean it up!


and about that reel, i think i'll have to fly up to alaska and fix it!
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Old 04-17-2006, 02:08 PM
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mike, i like greased drags, and i also like to lube the bearings. seen to many failures with each.

cc, the rollers are fairly well behaved and pretty much always stay in place. it's a tough choice. if you get too much lube on the rollers, they may slip backwards. if they're totally dry, they may rust. somewhere there's a balance.
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Old 04-17-2006, 06:39 PM
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Screwed up? Naw. Well maybe a little, but so what? You can afford it. Besides, it's a reel, not the Mona Lisa.

I'm having a little difficulty deciding what difference it could possibly make. If they chose a bushing, there must be a reason. (not likely price. Abu buys millions of bearings yearly. It'd be easier to use the same everywhere)

But I can't see anything detrimental about using a ball bearing instead.

Whatever. I know a guy who specializes in Ambasadeur spools; maybe I'll ask him. Or maybe not.

Later.
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Old 04-18-2006, 04:08 AM
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Thanks Alan, I've got four new never used Avet EX 2 speeds. I bought them two years ago and blew my engine then had to go back to work and fished inshore. I liked the SX bit you did and would like know how similar the EX's are. Since they are so expensive I might as well do some real preventive maintenance on em before I go offshore. What is your turn around on 2 30 wide 2 speeds and 2 50 wide 2 speeds? Cost?

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Old 04-26-2008, 05:49 AM
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I have first hand experience with puting HT 100 in abus, DON'T. Over time the increased thickness off the stack will put etra pressure on that side plate and will eventually separate the pressed in chrome sleve where the oneway roller bearing sits. I did to two reels and both broke the side plate where thar chrome sleve is pressed in.
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Old 04-26-2008, 11:00 PM
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carbontex dragwashers from smoothdrag.com have changed all of that. when i first started working on these, penn drag washers were the only ones available.
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