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Old 04-10-2006, 10:45 PM
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Default 30lb class 2speed reels

looking to buy some 30lb class 2speed reels for trolling and bottom fishing - prolly 50lb mono and some braid backing

Looking at the shimano TLD 30, the Daiwa Sealine 30 and the Penn 15kg

Seems that the Daiwa is the best deal and has aluminum frame and preset drag, then Penn for the frame and the upgradeable drag then TLD since they are graphite and weaker drags and most expensive.....

But i see way more TLDs out on the water - am I missing somehting?

Also any rod suggestions?
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Old 04-11-2006, 01:37 AM
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stinger, i've spent the last few minutes staring at your post, trying to decide whether i should answer or not. there are alot of guys here that have alot of experience fishing your local waters. i don't. but i do know the reels. i also recognize that have my own biases. um, "shimano basher" comes to mind. "old school" is another. and the last one wiley won't let me post! what i look for is function, reliability and price. i also have the ability to customize a reel when most guys don't. i bought my reels 10 years ago when money was tight. now i can afford to buy anything i want, but i'm still keeping my old reels. other guys you see were probably in the same situation as me. that's probably why you see so many of these reels.

yeah, i have a set of four shimano tld 20 two speeds. i've clean out the bearings, re-shimmed the bellevilles, re-shimmed the drag pressure plate, cleaned and re-greased the drag, replace the handle with my own custom handle, and loaded them straight to the top with 80 pound spectra. then i can topshot them with 30, 40, 50, or 60 pound mono as fishing conditions dictate and set the drags to 30% of the line weight. the tld 20 II frame is stronger then the tld 30 II frame because it's narrower. my reels deliver 22-24 pounds of drag at strike before loss of freespool, and will spin for a good 60 seconds. the rods are calstar west coasters. all four are rated 30-80, i've added a gimbal, roller tip and roller stripper to all four, two are 6 feet and two are 6.5 feet.

this combination is almost embarassingly "old school," but is works! and so will many other combinations. hey, it's fun to go out and spend money. good luck and go have fun choosing! let us know what you decide. alan

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Old 04-11-2006, 09:35 AM
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Default RE: 30lb class 2speed reels

I don't know what you are targeting trolling, but we have yet to catch anything on this coast, or the east coast for that matter, that required two speeds. IMHO, you are better off buying two outfits, one for each kind of fishing. For the cost of one of the reels you stated, you can buy one TLD 25 and one 113H or 114H, although I am switching over to the Daiwa Saltigas, and match each with the appropriate rod. This way, you have dedicated trolling and bottom fishing outfits, tailored to their strengths.

This is what works for me, I just prefer to have application specific equipment.
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Old 04-11-2006, 09:46 AM
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What ctoth said. With the development of some very good specialty reels like the Saltiga, Saltist, and Trinidad, its tough to limit everything to just one reel. Single speed TLDs are great for trolling but lack the retrieve and ergonomics of a good bottom reel. I use a Trinidad 30 with 30# braid for grouper up to 200' deep, very good combination of speed and power in a light package that I can hold all day. I just bought a Saltist 50 for heavier braid for deeper wrecks. The TLDs are too slow and big for that type of fishing but are much better for trolling.
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Old 04-11-2006, 02:34 PM
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Hi Stinger,

I hear you. Why are Shimano's so popular? A few reasons. 1. They fish well right off the shelf. 2. The drags are VERY smooth without modification. 3. Shimano customer service. 4. They can be modified with a machined frame and upgraded drags in to "reel machines" -- sorry about that...

As Alan said, the TLD 2-speed reels are very capable. Spool them with 65 or 80 lb braid and then change the mono top-shot to meet the fish you're targeting. Both the TLD 20II and 30II will handle 40-50 line. If you want to go higher, with higher drag settings, the frame (as all graphite framed reels are) is susceptable to cracking. If you want to do that with TLDs, get the aluminum frame from either Tiburon or Willfish Tackle. With that modicfication, the sky is the limit. Well, almost...

I've got a TLD20II spooled with 80 Spectra and a 50lb mono top shot for AJs and Grouper here in Tampa. The rod is a Crowder LB80H (thats a Calstar Graphiter 900 cut down).

Any of the reels you mention will work. I'm not a big fan of Penn's newer graphite reels, but that's just me. Lots of folks like them.

For a trolling rod, Crowder makes a ton that'll work for our needs here. Go over to Bill Jackson's in St Pete and ask for Paulie in the fishing department.

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Old 04-11-2006, 03:06 PM
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Hmmmm good stuff....well here is what I would ideally use these reels for

Trolling for Dolphin or other pelagics in the AM and then in the afternoon try for some AJs/grouper on the reefline wrecks.

Was thinking I wanted the capacity to run shotgun lines 100yards back if needed for tuna but also the cranking power to lift fish off the bottom? Hence the higher capacity two speed reels?

I guess I could get the TLD 20s and pack them with braid for capacity while trolling and then stick with the 6/0s for bottom fishing
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Old 04-11-2006, 06:14 PM
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For trolling get an aluminum framed reel Look at the trynos from shimano (tld with a cast frame) or anyone else for that matter
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Old 04-11-2006, 08:07 PM
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why do people traditionally seem to avoid lever-drag reels for bottom fishing. I don't bottom fish but you never know...
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Old 04-11-2006, 11:27 PM
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Check out the Daiwa SLD 20 or 30 -II. These reels have smooth drags and plenty of it an work well for trolling or bottom fishing. They have a very aggressive drag cam between strike and full so you can troll just below strike and bottom fish at full with the same rig all day. And when that 500lb blue marlin shows up in your spread you will be confident that you have shot at landing him instead of being another "spooled" statistic. They are great 20 and 30 pound reels respectively but for double duty I would recommend 80 braid(500yds) underneath and a 60 lb(100yds) topshot on the 30.
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Old 04-12-2006, 12:06 PM
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The design of reels with star drags is very different from those with lever drags. With star drag reels, the free spool mechanism is separate from the drag, so you can "hammer" the drag down to the max and not lose free spool. With a lever drag, if you tighten the drag down all the way, you'll likely give up free spool.

When bottom fishing, you generally do NOT want the fish to be able to run off line after he has been hooked -- he'll get back into the structure (rocks, wreck, ...) where he came from and you've got a stand off. When trolling, you want the fish to be able to run off line so he doesn't tear the hook out.

Today's lever drag reels from companies like Accurate and Avet have improved upon this problem, i.e. they can generate more drag than their predessors and still maintain freespool. They're not cheap however.

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Old 04-12-2006, 01:17 PM
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TLD's and Avets get my vote . Shimano makes some other top of the line reels such as the Torsa and Trinidad but they are just a weee bit pricey! ...So are the accurates.
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Old 04-13-2006, 09:55 AM
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I have been looking at the Avet 2 speed reels. There 30# outfit seems very capable. I was also planning to use it for trolling and bottom fishing. Another question. When it is stated that the reel will have 9# of drag at freespool does that mean that when you have the lever all the way back (freespool) that there is still drag? So how do you have freespool? I am new to the lever drag so please forgive the ignorance.
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Old 04-13-2006, 10:04 AM
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Shallow: It usually means that you will have freespool when the lever is in "free". Then when you put the lever up to "strike", it will have 9lb of drag.

I have an Avet Pro 30W. The freespool this reel has is amazing. I have not timed it yet, but well over 30 seconds. Plus the drag it will pull, will allow you to put 100+lb spectra on it if you want.

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Old 04-13-2006, 02:34 PM
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91,
Again ignorance speaking here. What do you mean it is well over 30 seconds?
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Hey Shallow: No problem. I mean that when you put the lever in "free" and give the spool a good spin, the spool will continue to spin for over 30 seconds before it comes to a stop.

FYI, when Avet, Shimano, and some others (not Penn for whatever reason) give drag ratings, they state "35lb max at strike with freespool" or "40lb max at full with freespool". What this means is that this reel, out of the box, will get that indicated drag when set to "strike" or "full", while still maintaining good freespool time when the lever is then moved to "free". It does not necessarily mean that this drag number is the max drag that the reel will pull though. Since you can tighten the drag preset knob further to get more drag, but then you will lose most if not all freespool.

If you can go to a store and actually touch an Avet (or any other good conventional reel), back off of the drag preset all the way. Put the lever in "free", then spin the spool. Count how many seconds it spins before it comes to a stop. Then progressively crank down on the drag preset knob little by little, stopping every half turn or so, to see if you still have the same freespool. At each of these stops, you can check the drag if you want with a scale when you move the lever to "strike" and see what lb drag you are pulling. You will get to a point where when you crank the drag preset knob any further, the freespool will decrease substantially. Just prior to this, backoff the knob a little until your freespool comes back, then put the lever to "strike", measure the drag, and this is your max drag at strike with freespool. Then put the lever to "full", measure, and this is your max drag at full with freespool.

I hope this helps a little. Alantani is the expert and can explain it better than I or help with other detailed questions.

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91,
That was an excellent explanation and I understand. Thanks. So in practical numbers is 35# of drag alot? I have not gotten to the point where I am putting a scale to my drag. I do know that on my Shimano spinning I can set the drag to cut my hand when I try to pull it out. But a tarpon pulls it out like there is no drag. At what point do I need to know exactly the # of my drag and why?
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Shallow: 35lb of drag is a LOT of drag. Using that much drag also requires at least 100lb line. (in addition to strong legs and back! )

I am not an expert by any means, but the basic reason for knowing how much drag you are using is so that you stay within the limits of your line and rod strength. The basic rule of thumb is to set your max drag at strike at 25-33% of your line strength. So if you have 60lb line, you should set your strike drag 15-20lbs. (just increase the preset knob little by little until you get the required drag when you put the lever to strike) However, you also need to consider what rod this reel/line is on. If your rod is a 40lb rod, and you have 60lb line on it, then you should set the drag corresponding to 25-33% of 40lb...not 60lb.

On my Avet Pro 30Ws, I have them on 60lb rods and have 60lb mono topshot. So I have set my drag at strike to be 20lb. Granted the Avet 30 will pull 30+lb at strike, but I won't use that much unless I put 100lb line on the reel and put it on a 100lb class rod.

Again, no expert here. Just trying to relay some basic info that I have learned here on the board as well since I am pretty green to offshore still.

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Sorry for getting offtopic on this thread. Shallowmind: feel free to PM me if needed.

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