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Old 04-08-2006, 11:50 AM
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I'm going to launch in the Tangier sound and troll for rock again. Tried it for the first time last fall without success. I troll east to west and the reverse, Use 4 to 5 lines and drag parachutes(chartrusse and white), umbrellas, tandems with storms 3' 6' and 9'. I keep the speed down to 1 to 2 knots. I use a downrigger for one of the lines. The rods are outter banks and ugly stix with lots of guides rated for up to 40 lb test. The reels are penn 330 gtis spooled with mono on 2 and braided dacron on 2. Have tried various depths. I MARKED big fish on the bottom but could not get the bite. Fished in water as deep as 80 to 90 feet. Fished all tides. Sooooo frustrating. Would end up finding birds and going wild with storm shads on lite tackle and crushing the schoolies. I'd like to boat one of the big slobs, any help would be greatly appreciated. Hard strikes!!

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Old 04-08-2006, 12:11 PM
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Old 04-08-2006, 12:16 PM
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Old 04-08-2006, 12:32 PM
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not sure where your fishin' but a sure fire way to bag a slob is to offer him (or her ) something live. or at least something fresh dead .Every area has their favorite baits that the best are continually sucessfull with .your local tackle shop could fill you in.
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Old 04-08-2006, 02:21 PM
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I'm in the Chesapeake bay lower third. What live or dead bait do you troll? I never heard of trolling with manhedan, eels or crab which is the preferred bait down here. I have fished with live bunker and done well around NY but that was from an anchored or drifting boat. I have live lined eels but thats drift fishing usually. peanut bunker usually don't come in down here untill the fall and I don't see how I could troll them.
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Old 04-08-2006, 02:36 PM
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If you can get big enough menhaden they are very effective trolled.I'm up in the northeast. we troll menhaden ,mackeral, pollack etc. dead and especially live.when the macks show up we hammer the big sows with them. believe it or not, a trolled (slow) dead menhaden ,just spinning back there.(use a ball bearing swivel)can be deadly effective.
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Old 04-08-2006, 02:51 PM
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These fish are up top this time of the year so you want to work the top 20' of the water column. I pull umbrella rigs and tandems with 9" and 12" shad as teasers with most lines using little to no weight at all. Keep your speed between 2.3 and 3.5 knots and you'll put fish in the boat, guaranteed.
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Old 04-08-2006, 03:14 PM
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For Spring, look in water 40' or less and the fish will be in the top 25' of the water column. Use some different weights to cover the water column. Umbrellas & Tandems rigged with parachutes & shads (white on 1 side, chart on the other)

Tide should be moving - not slack

Your Fall spread will be different

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Old 04-08-2006, 03:34 PM
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In the spring stick to deep water and the channel ledges, fish will be in the top 25'. Umbrellas, tandem rigs and single bucktails and chutes will be the bait. Large shads.
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Old 04-08-2006, 04:15 PM
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Thanks to all. I will splash down on Monday, at least in theory, and will give the above advice a go this week. Any other info is always welcome. hard strikes!!

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Old 04-08-2006, 04:33 PM
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I got to agree with stay in deep water. I usually make my turn back out into deeper water once I get in about 45’ of water or so. The hour before the tide change is the ticket.
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Old 04-08-2006, 06:22 PM
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If you troll a dead menhaden in the bay you are wasting your time. White seems to be producing so far this spring buck tails whith white. In the shallows or around structure drift hunks of crab. Live line spot or perch around bridge tunnell in the lower bay and you will catch all you want.
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Old 04-08-2006, 06:40 PM
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Tubby, are you trolling umbrellas or just bucktails?
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Old 04-08-2006, 06:41 PM
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take 1 of your reels and have it spooled with monel stainless wire line, since your marking fish in the depths you say you most likely arent trolling near them the wire line will weigh down whatever it is your trolling to reach the fish wire line trolling for bass is deadly i have caught many cow stripers this way
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Old 04-09-2006, 11:14 AM
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Can't really speak to the Chesapeake bay area, but in order of preference up here in Red Sox country:

1. Seasonal Meat...manhaden (if available) scup, herring (if legal), eels later in the year...
2. Bucktails and porkrind in the spring....tube and worm later in the year
3. I have witnessed the effectiveness of 9er rigs and the like...I just don't personally like them. but they work!

I can't resists this final comment (it is the wise guy in me) so please forgive me. Maybe if you are looking for big bass you should target Mrs. Rock (cows) instead of Mr. Rock as all really big stripers are female.... See I told you I couldn't resist. Please take it in the good natured teasing manor that it was intended....

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Old 04-09-2006, 05:56 PM
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Jonb trolling both umbrellas and white tandems. most fish on white tandems up top I think it is the water temp still cold
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Old 04-09-2006, 08:31 PM
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I don't know the Tangier area that well, but keep in mind that the rock are migrating up in and out of the Bay to spawn in the rivers. They travel in the deep channels but as others have said usually are in the upper 25ft of water where it's warmer in the Spring. Keep most of what you're pulling in the upper water column and try an umbrella rig way way back (200 ft+) with no weight (always a producer). You may just be in the wrong area but if I remember correctly, there are some decent deep channels in the Tangier. I usually concentrate at the mouth of several of the bigger rivers (Choptank, Patuxent, Eastern Bay etc). Good luck.
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Old 04-09-2006, 10:42 PM
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Thanks again. I keep the boat at the mouth of the Mannokin river in Goose creek. Been looking at the charts and theres water about 25 to 35 feet of depth with shallows on both sides that runs south-west into the deep channel. Seems like a good place to start. I'll work the rigs talked about above and let you all know what happens. Hard strikes!

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