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Old 04-06-2006, 04:20 PM
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Default shimano tiagra 16 rebuild - lots of really little pieces ....

to look at the schematic for this reel....

http://mikesreelrepair.com/schematic...%20ti%2016.pdf

..... you'd think that some engineer somewhere had waaayyyy too much time on his hands. lots of little pieces! but it's not impossible either.



now, before we jump into this reel, let's talk about it first. the drags are greased carbon fiber. i consider them to be the industry standard. drag failures for greased carbon fiber are virtually unheard of. what about the bearings? shimano arb bearings are already open. with no shields to hold water in, the risk of bearing failure should be lower. shimano also has their own special grease bearings which is pretty good stuff. give the spool a spin. if the freespool is ok for the type of fishing you do, let's leave the bearings alone. how about drag range? i like a 30% drag setting. let's say you have 65 pound spectra and a 50 pound topshot. if this reel can give you 15 pounds of drag, you should be all set. straight out of the box, there is very little danger of reel failure because of salt water intrusion and subsequent corrosion. if the reel delivers, let's leave it be. or you could be like me and just be curious....

want to open it up and take a peek inside? ok, let's start by greasing all the right side plate screws (key #601). you'll need a metric torx bit.



back out the stand screws (key #528), one at a time, shoot in a bead of grease and re-install the screws.



grease the rod clamp bolts (key #646 or 649)



back out the left side plate screws (key #601 and 645).



remove the left side plate assembly (key #644) and set it aside.



the spool comes out cleanly and in one piece.



note the orientation of the anti-reverse ratchet (key #529). it's easy to put on backwards.



remove the cooling shield screws and washers (key #641 and 640).



set the cooling shield (key #639) and pressure plate (B) (key #637) aside. remove the drag pressure plate screws (key #636).



remove the drag plate (key #635). see the little springs?



pull the out the drag plate springs (key #630) ....



and set them aside, some place nice and safe.



the pinion shaft (key #625) has two cross pins (key #626) and a pressure plate spring (key #634).



pull the pins and spring, then the drag washer assembly, and set them aside.



here's the pinion shaft (key #625) with bearing, bellville's and thrust washers in order. the white grease is shimano's bearing grease. this product is much lighter than the drag grease and works very well. cleaning out the bearings will improve freespool. if 30 seconds of freespool is not needed for your application, leave the grease in the bearings.



i opted to clean out the bearings.



i removed a thrust washer (key #42A), added two belleville pre-load springs (key #40A) and changed the stack of bellevilles from the stock configuration of "(())" to "((()))".



to get the spacing right, i ended up moving that thrust washer to the left side of the spool....



reinstall the cross pin.



now let's look at the drag washer.



add a thick coat of shimano drag grease.



wipe off all the excess.



until it looks dry.



re-install the drag washer assembly.



re-install the pressure plate spring and cross pin.



re-install the drag plate springs (key #630). a bead of grease is very helpful here.



reinstall the drag plate (key #635) and screws (key #636).



regrease and clean the second drag washer assembly.



drop the drag washer assembly back onto the spool shaft.



check out the rubber gasket. this is similar to the system found in shimano tld series. when the lever is forward and the drag washer is engaged, the gasket locks up against the spool cap and the drag chamber is sealed to prevent water intrusion. like the tld series, you rinse off your tiagras while they are in gear.



grease the screw holes.



install the cooling shield (key #639).



re-install the anti-reverse ratchet (key #529). the bearing spacer (key #642) and bearing thrust washer (key #567) are hidden under the grease.



more screw holes to grease.



re-install the side plate screws. the long one goes in at the 12 o'clock position.



done! here are the specs. not so bad for a non-blue printed reel!



see, that wasn't to bad!
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Old 04-06-2006, 07:01 PM
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I am impressed . . . truly excellent explanation and pics
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Default Re: shimano tiagra 16 rebuild - lots of really little pieces ....

Ok, I gotta ask, when is Alan going to open up and see what a 130 class reel will get????

I'm betting monster.
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Default Re: shimano tiagra 16 rebuild - lots of really little pieces ....

Alan, do you expect all the Tiagra's will be simliar. It also looks like that is the new A series.
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Default Re: shimano tiagra 16 rebuild - lots of really little pieces ....

yeah, the tiagras are all pretty close. um, and the way my vision is getting, they're all starting to blur together. older ones might have shielded bearings. it may not be worth opening up a reel just to figure that out. these are pretty good, straight out of the box. but, jeez, are they expensive.

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Default Re: shimano tiagra 16 rebuild - lots of really little pieces ....

Excellent as always, Alan. Thank you.

I'm surprised by how stout those drag discs really are. 20# drag? I'm impressed.

I'm not impressed by the (in my opinion) excessive intricacy and number of parts. Nor by the lack of a Pac-Man screen!
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Default Re: shimano tiagra 16 rebuild - lots of really little pieces ....

Thanks Alan! Good stuff.

Those cross pins and tiny springs look familar....my Avet Pro 30W had both in a very similar design.

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Old 04-07-2006, 10:44 AM
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yes, i understand shimano thought they also looked familiar. maybe a little too familiar.....
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Was there anything wrong with the reel or just routine cleaning up? Looks like it's almost new.
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i've had several requests for rebuild posts on the tiagra line, so i jumped at the chance to open up this one. the reel was in perfect condition. the nice thing about the tiagra line is that you can fish it with confidence, straight out of the box. i did the usual routine clean up and tweaking. i also installed a new handle. that was it.

personally, i hate the handle......
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Default RE: shimano tiagra 16 rebuild - lots of really little pieces ....

Alan, just to make sure, they give alot more drag oon the website,if you button it down you can get more drag but loose some freespool?
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Default Re: shimano tiagra 16 rebuild - lots of really little pieces ....

yes, the reel will deliver 20 seconds of freespool when the drag is set to 20 pounds at strike. these are honest numbers, not cooked up. if you turn down the preset button to give more drag at strike, you put more lateral pressure on the spool bearings and decrease the freespool time.

there can be considerable variability from reel to reel. it's not really anyone's fault in particular. it's just the nature of these reels.
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alantani - 4/6/2006 7:20 PM to look at the schematic for this reel.... http://mikesreelrepair.com/schematic...%20ti%2016.pdf ..... you'd think that some engineer somewhere had waaayyyy too much time on his hands. lots of little pieces! but it's not impossible either. now, before we jump into this reel, let's talk about it first. the drags are greased carbon fiber. i consider them to be the industry standard. drag failures for greased carbon fiber are virtually unheard of. what about the bearings? shimano arb bearings are already open. with no shields to hold water in, the risk of bearing failure should be lower. shimano also has their own special grease bearings which is pretty good stuff. give the spool a spin. if the freespool is ok for the type of fishing you do, let's leave the bearings alone. how about drag range? i like a 30% drag setting. let's say you have 65 pound spectra and a 50 pound topshot. if this reel can give you 15 pounds of drag, you should be all set. straight out of the box, there is very little danger of reel failure because of salt water intrusion and subsequent corrosion. if the reel delivers, let's leave it be. or you could be like me and just be curious.... want to open it up and take a peek inside? ok, let's start by greasing all the right side plate screws (key #601). you'll need a metric torx bit. back out the stand screws (key #528), one at a time, shoot in a bead of grease and re-install the screws. grease the rod clamp bolts (key #646 or 649) back out the left side plate screws (key #601 and 645). remove the left side plate assembly (key #644) and set it aside. the spool comes out cleanly and in one piece. note the orientation of the anti-reverse ratchet (key #529). it's easy to put on backwards. remove the cooling shield screws and washers (key #641 and 640). set the cooling shield (key #639) and pressure plate (B) (key #637) aside. remove the drag pressure plate screws (key #636). remove the drag plate (key #635). see the little springs? pull the out the drag plate springs (key #630) .... and set them aside, some place nice and safe. the pinion shaft (key #625) has two cross pins (key #626) and a pressure plate spring (key #634). pull the pins and spring, then the drag washer assembly, and set them aside. here's the pinion shaft (key #625) with bearing, bellville's and thrust washers in order. the white grease is shimano's bearing grease. this product is much lighter than the drag grease and works very well. cleaning out the bearings will improve freespool. if 30 seconds of freespool is not needed for your application, leave the grease in the bearings. i opted to clean out the bearings. i removed a thrust washer (key #42A), added two belleville pre-load springs (key #40A) and changed the stack of bellevilles from the stock configuration of "(())" to "((()))". to get the spacing right, i ended up moving that thrust washer to the left side of the spool.... reinstall the cross pin. now let's look at the drag washer. add a thick coat of shimano drag grease. wipe off all the excess. until it looks dry. re-install the drag washer assembly. re-install the pressure plate spring and cross pin. re-install the drag plate springs (key #630). a bead of grease is very helpful here. reinstall the drag plate (key #635) and screws (key #636). regrease and clean the second drag washer assembly. drop the drag washer assembly back onto the spool shaft. check out the rubber gasket. this is similar to the system found in shimano tld series. when the lever is forward and the drag washer is engaged, the gasket locks up against the spool cap and the drag chamber is sealed to prevent water intrusion. like the tld series, you rinse off your tiagras while they are in gear. grease the screw holes. install the cooling shield (key #639). re-install the anti-reverse ratchet (key #529). the bearing spacer (key #642) and bearing thrust washer (key #567) are hidden under the grease. more screw holes to grease. re-install the side plate screws. the long one goes in at the 12 o'clock position. done! here are the specs. not so bad for a non-blue printed reel! see, that wasn't to bad!
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Is it only me, who cannot see the photos, or are these redcrossed ?

Any hint, how to recall them ?

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still working on that. the old photo hosting service took a dump and my friend is trying to get back on line. stand by .......
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ttt... with a question for Alan. I am about to use this thread as a guide to clean and lube two 30 wides and a 50 wide (Tiagras). I am planning on using the blue Yamaha Marine grease. Is this still a good choice??? And... Is there ever a need to break down the handle side and grease the gears??

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it's still cal's grease for the drag washers and yamaha engine grease for all the other non-exposed metal surfaces. i would add the need to pack the right main side plate bearing with grease as well. this was omitted from the original post. man, this thing is old!!!!!!
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Default Re: shimano tiagra 16 rebuild - lots of really little pieces ....

In Shimano's brochure, or on their website, they advertise 28lbs of drag (Max) with freespool (23lbs at strike) with the Tiagra 16. Are these #'s over-inflated?
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