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Old 04-06-2006, 04:31 PM
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Bottom fishing in 120 feet off of Fresh Creek using small live grouper on a 15 foot (50 lb) fluor leader, 65 pound top shot of braid tied Uni-to-Uni to 60 pound mono, drag locked down. I, the fisherman, have the rod in a belt gimbal and am ready for a hit.

There's a bump and then suddenly, the broomstik of a rod bends into a "C" while I strain against the huge pull. Then ZAP, the line breaks...right where the braid was connected to the main line mono via Uni-to-Uni. Sheeeeeeeeeeet!!!

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1. Put a little more braid on the reel so the knot is not "in the action"
2. What else (adjust drag, increase line strength, different knot)?
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Old 04-06-2006, 04:42 PM
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less drag or more # test The intial hit is higher than a sustained pull I will use the frespool when bottom bouncing and aplly the drag after hit and hookset I do with just thumb pressure
IMHO less drag is better to start unless you need to get them out of a wreck or other nasty place but remember 1/3 drag setting is max you want to apply with the reel use your thumb pressure if you need more If you don't we will keep reading stories like this instead of seeing pictures of your catch
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Old 04-06-2006, 04:55 PM
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The same thing has happened to me three weeks in a row bottom fishing. I consulted Patudo and he agrees with Ubettcha. So on saturday I'm ditching the TLD50-LRS' and 50lb I've been using and going with the Penn 70VS' with 80lb straight mono. I'm also dumping the 80lb leader for 250lb. Basically my bluewater trolling setup but with livebait and a heavy weight. The harness will also be at the ready too. I hope I'll have some pictures to post.
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Old 04-06-2006, 04:56 PM
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BB, the formula I use for setting drags is 1/3 of the line strength. Some folks use 1/4. For a 60lb main line, your initial drag setting should be no more than 15-20lb's max. Although the uni to uni is a good knot, I would also back off some of that drag for the knot because it is not a 100% knot. So the max drag I would set on that get up is 15lb.
Two things, if you had a real "broom stick"type rod bent into a C then I would assume you are using much more than 15-20lb of drag. Second, are you putting a double line at the end of the braid where you are joining it to your mono? Braid can easily cut through mono so I tie a bimini in my braid before doing the uni to uni. I fish with 130lb braid connected to 80lb mono and have never had a uni break. Try doubling that braid as 60lb braid will be very sharp.
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BigBone - 4/6/2006 8:31 PM

Then ZAP, the line breaks...right where the braid was connected to the main line mono via Uni-to-Uni.
Do you think the line broke or the braid cut through it?
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Old 04-06-2006, 05:08 PM
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There was significant structure and undoubtedly the bugger was a good sized grouper (we had already caught some decent ones on small squid) that would have locked himself in a hole given the opportunity. They seem to be able to take drag if you give them any chance.

I try to get two or three cranks on them as fast as I can while keeping the rod up. Your advice sounds good, but I have no idea how I'll get my thumb on the drag while holding the rod and reeling. Maybe put the rod in a rod holder?
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Yes, it was MUCH more than 15-20 pounds of drag, probably 50 or more. Good idea with the Bimini Twist on the braid. I'm fairly certain that the braid cut the mono--that's what it looked like.

What a bummer. I should have dived in and grabbed the braid before it disappeared...
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Maybe put the rod in a rod holder?
yes...leave it in the holder and have your buddy pull away or back away from the structure while you lock down, after you give it a couple of cranks. once safely away then put it in your gut bucket and loosen the drag

if i had to gues i'd say the braid cut your mono
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look in the power pro box and learn the reverse albright knot this is the best knot I have used to connect braid to mono
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I'm fairly certain that the braid cut the mono--that's what it looked like.
That's why I don't like the Uni to Uni for braid to mono. The knot is pretty strong but braid can cut mono like butter under tension. I prefer to make a short double line in the braid with a 30 or 40 turn Bimini twist and then attach the mono with a Yucatan (also called a "No name" knot).

http://www.leadertec.com/tipsandtech...s_yucatan.html

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BigBone - 4/6/2006 3:31 PM

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Bottom fishing in 120 feet off of Fresh Creek using small live grouper

One question, why a small grouper for bait. I am assuming when you say small, it was undersized. I don't think that is legal. Sorry if I am wrong. Sucks to lose a big fish, though.


Edit: read your other post and I guess you were in the Bahamas. I don't know their laws, so disregard the above if it doesn't apply.
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Old 04-06-2006, 05:26 PM
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I'm really a novice when it comes to bottom fishing, but on one of our larger strikes (definitely a grouper, that eventually came off after about 25 minutes) the only way was to lockdown and muscle it. The fish had inhaled the mullet and was well hooked, no need to set the hook. Eventually the 50lb line gave way, but we would definitely have landed it on 80lb. Go with heavier line is the advice I'm following. I don't see the need for uni to uni, braid to mono to flouro etc etc. I'm using the technique I learned fishing with Kunta Smith off Ft. Lauderdale last summer. Straight mono to a BB snaplock swivel (or threeway), leader to swivel and weight to swivel. I'm using a 165lb BB snaplock swivel. The only downside I've seen so far is the leader twisting around the mainline occasionally. The KISS principle.
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Schoolsout,

Not an unfair question. But, bear in mind, I could have easily said "blue runner".

We were in the Bahamas where, yes, the rules are different. The rule for groupers is nothing less than 3 pounds. The species we used does not grow to three pounds. We would have normally released it regardless, but it was caught and hauled up fast from a deep bottom (the wall to 6,000 lies very close to 130 feet depth) and the bladder was expanded. It wouldn't sink without lead and I don't know how to do the darn pin prick thing.

I'll try to remember the name of the species, but it is a pretty deep water, orange with little blue dots and does not get big.
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fold the pec fin and poke just behind it to give it a chance
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I'll try to remember the name of the species, but it is a pretty deep water, orange with little blue dots and does not get big.
This is uncanny. I'm halfway around the globe from you and we caught that same little Grouper 10 days ago. My buddy kept it and said it was the best fish he'd ever eaten. Grouper generally are topnotch eating anyway.

Here's the rig I'm talking about: http://www.combat-fishing.com/basicu...eewayBotFinder
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I'm fairly certain that the braid cut the mono--that's what it looked like.
That's why I don't like the Uni to Uni for braid to mono. The knot is pretty strong but braid can cut mono like butter under tension. I prefer to make a short double line in the braid with a 30 or 40 turn Bimini twist and then attach the mono with a Yucatan (also called a "No name" knot).

http://www.leadertec.com/tipsandtech...s_yucatan.html

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I'm with Spike - bimini to a "no name" knot has worked well for me for my braid to mono connections.
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I'm fairly certain that the braid cut the mono--that's what it looked like.
That's why I don't like the Uni to Uni for braid to mono. The knot is pretty strong but braid can cut mono like butter under tension. I prefer to make a short double line in the braid with a 30 or 40 turn Bimini twist and then attach the mono with a Yucatan (also called a "No name" knot).


http://www.leadertec.com/tipsandtech...s_yucatan.html

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I'm with Spike - bimini to a "no name" knot has worked well for me for my braid to mono connections.
The reverse albright is the same knot
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It was still good to read y'all got some other groupers.
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ubettcha13 - 4/6/2006 5:31 PM

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I'm fairly certain that the braid cut the mono--that's what it looked like.
That's why I don't like the Uni to Uni for braid to mono. The knot is pretty strong but braid can cut mono like butter under tension. I prefer to make a short double line in the braid with a 30 or 40 turn Bimini twist and then attach the mono with a Yucatan (also called a "No name" knot).


http://www.leadertec.com/tipsandtech...s_yucatan.html

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I'm with Spike - bimini to a "no name" knot has worked well for me for my braid to mono connections.
The reverse albright is the same knot
No it's not - the 2 are similar, but are slightly different:

http://www.powerpro.com/using/reversealbright.asp

http://www.hatterasoutfitters.com/no_name_knot.htm
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I make sure I have enough braid to reach the bottom and still have some on the spool.....we use 80-100# and lock the drag as tight as it will go (with a little hammer tap ). That will dredge up anything I catch bottom fishing NC so far......if you see bigger fish maybe you need to go heavier? As soon as you see the big boy "tell-tale" bend in the rod use the boat (if power drifting)....lean on the rod hard or press the button on the electric reel (if anchored) to change the fish's direction as soon as you can. I usually underspool with the cheapest 40# I can find and cover that with 150 yds of braid.....we usually fish 60-150' of water. Also make sure you are doubling the braid before you tie the uni to uni.
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