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Old 11-05-2016, 08:03 AM
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My personal opinion is that he will need other evidence besides polygraph results. If the guy did cheat he does not deserve the money.
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Old 11-05-2016, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TUNEE View Post
My personal opinion is that he will need other evidence besides polygraph results. If the guy did cheat he does not deserve the money.
What would he use the polygraph for. They all showed deception, not sure how he could use that in his favor.

Polygraph results are totally irrelevant in that court room, by his own doing, in signing the contract which is the agreement to tournament rules.
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Old 11-05-2016, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TUNEE View Post
My personal opinion is that he will need other evidence besides polygraph results. If the guy did cheat he does not deserve the money.

The rules say that if you win more than $50k then you need to pass a polygraph test. If you didn't pass then you broke the rules. Lying is a separate issue.

His only recourse is to question the qualifications of the three polygraphers involved.

If you're a truthful person that can't pass a polygraph then maybe stop entering fishing competitions!
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Old 11-05-2016, 02:30 PM
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Phil Heasley's company (ACI Worldwide) had $200m wiped off its value on Wednesday after another quarter of shitty results.

Maybe Phil needs to start focusing on being a good CEO rather than being a bad & litigious fisherman. The rewards would seem to be bigger!
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Old 11-06-2016, 03:10 PM
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I hope a judge looks at this for 2 seconds then admonishes the crew who agreed to the rules, then whine afterward that they don't like them.

Cheated or not is irrelevant. The promised to agree to the rules of the tournament, which made it very clear.
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Old 11-06-2016, 05:20 PM
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I just don't think its that cut and dry. It will be interesting for sure. I bet we have a decision fairly soon. I would certainly change the rules for next year.
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By the word of the rules it is actually, that cut and dry. You enter the tournament and you agree to ply by the rules of the tournament.
All the courts will do is interpret the rules of the WMO
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If the WMO officials followed the tournament rules then Heasly has no chance. The WMO officials are effectively on trial ......
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Lol like this thread we can expect the court case to be lost no and drawn out! I believe in the end the court will find for the wmo..... The case seems pretty clear, I can't imagine it taking years
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"long and drawn out"
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Old 11-08-2016, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by InternationalMarineBrian View Post
By the word of the rules it is actually, that cut and dry. You enter the tournament and you agree to ply by the rules of the tournament.
All the courts will do is interpret the rules of the WMO


Amazing how so many are missing this.
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Old 11-10-2016, 05:38 AM
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Also surprising in this is the fact that this guy obviously has been a long time BIG tournament fisherman, who is very wealthy and does this because he enjoys it - he's likely NOT surviving off the winnings.... What tournament board, after all of this, would ever let this guy enter ? Seems like in addition to losing the money, he'll also lose future opportunities to do what he loves
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Old 11-10-2016, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by OIReelKeeper View Post
Also surprising in this is the fact that this guy obviously has been a long time BIG tournament fisherman, who is very wealthy and does this because he enjoys it - he's likely NOT surviving off the winnings.... What tournament board, after all of this, would ever let this guy enter ? Seems like in addition to losing the money, he'll also lose future opportunities to do what he loves
He signed up, paid entry fee and agreed to the rules. Now he doesn't like the rules and want's to fight it. He's wealthy and not afraid to use the courts as he usually has more money to outlast others. I agree I wouldn't want him fishing my tournament either as history has a habit of repeating itself. Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it.
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Old 11-10-2016, 11:27 AM
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Right, wrong or indifferent the issue is contract law and the agreement he signed is the contract and the requirement is in the contract in black and white. Maybe he should have read it first.

Can't imagine this taking over 15 minutes before a judge.
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Old 11-10-2016, 11:43 AM
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Question for those that do these tournaments - the contract says you have to pass a polygraph as a condition of getting a prize. Does it say who administers the polygraph or who selects the person/company to administer the polygraph ? Just curious as maybe they argument is that the polygraph was not done correctly or similar.

I doubt the law suit is a simple, one issue case about that issue but it is a private contract between two parties so the contract terms will guide the case.
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Old 11-10-2016, 01:11 PM
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WMO rules state:

7.All anglers winning $50,000 or more and all anglers winning any amount in Level R may be required, at the discretion of the White Marlin Open, to take and pass, at the determination of the test administrator, a polygraph test prior to the distribution of any awards. 1.The White Marlin Open may, at its discretion, also request that a polygraph test be taken by any other angler or crew member registered to that boat.
2.The time and place for the polygraph testing will be announced at the Captain’s meeting and listed on the Tournament Information Sheet which is distributed with the boat packets.
3.In the event that a test cannot be taken at a scheduled time, tournament officials reserve the right to reschedule the test with in 30 days of the date on which the fish was caught. The rescheduled test must be administered by a White Marlin Open approved examiner administered to ASTM standards and will be at the angler’s expense.
4.If an angler wishes to dispute an unfavorable polygraph result, the angler may have a second polygraph conducted with in 10 days by a qualified polygraph examiner at the angler’s expense. This polygraph must be administered to ASTM standards. The decision as to which of the two polygraph tests will be used to determine prize money eligibility is that of the tournament directors in cooperation with the polygraph examiner(s).
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Not sure if anyone mentioned it, or if it has anything to do with this, but the big tuna winner who was all in, listed his Wesmac not long ago. My understanding is the White Marlin Calcutta $ would go to him being the blue marlin winner wasn't in the Calcuttas?
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Old 11-11-2016, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Carpe Cerevisi View Post
Question for those that do these tournaments - the contract says you have to pass a polygraph as a condition of getting a prize. Does it say who administers the polygraph or who selects the person/company to administer the polygraph ? Just curious as maybe they argument is that the polygraph was not done correctly or similar.

I doubt the law suit is a simple, one issue case about that issue but it is a private contract between two parties so the contract terms will guide the case.
Which makes it very simple.

Initial is up to the tournament to provide. Any challenges (second/third test), 'winner' selects and funds.

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Not sure if anyone mentioned it, or if it has anything to do with this, but the big tuna winner who was all in, listed his Wesmac not long ago. My understanding is the White Marlin Calcutta $ would go to him being the blue marlin winner wasn't in the Calcuttas?
Correct, but I don't think that the funds can be paid until the lawsuit is over. I may be incorrect on that, though.
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Originally Posted by Boatless33 View Post
Not sure if anyone mentioned it, or if it has anything to do with this, but the big tuna winner who was all in, listed his Wesmac not long ago. My understanding is the White Marlin Calcutta $ would go to him being the blue marlin winner wasn't in the Calcuttas?
Bottom of page 11 is where it starts on the breakdown of who would get what in terms of the calcuttas.

http://whitemarlinopen.com/media/fil...cuments(1).pdf
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