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Old 06-20-2016, 02:40 PM
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I know I'm leaving the presumed category, but nobody ever said sport fishing. Game over. I win.
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Old 06-20-2016, 07:06 PM
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What's the best way to fish the cedar plug?
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Old 06-21-2016, 03:27 AM
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Cedar plug, Moldcraft Wide Range, Moldcraft Super Chugger, Green Machine, Blue/White Islander, Drone Spoon, and Bucktail Jig are some of the potential acceptable answers depending on target species.

If I had ballyhoo and had to pick one lure for the rest of my life it'd be a Sea Witch with a few strips of mylar. My reason being that I've caught everything from Wahoo to Blue Marlin on them.
I constantly develop new favorite lures, but there aren't many that I've used to catch essentially every species of fish possible in my area.

Originally Posted by cummins84 View Post
What's the best way to fish the cedar plug?
We only use cedar plugs early in the season while blackfin are around, which are really the only non trash species of tuna we get here. Occasionally I'll hear of someone that caught a yellowfin, but it's very rare.
When we do pull a cedar plug we just put it way back on the center, which works well. I'm not an expert on them since I only use them for tuna and we don't have much of a tuna fishery though.
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Ceder plug, ceder plug chain, squid bar an must have the toad flopping under it.
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Originally Posted by Lone Ono View Post
What is a "trash" species of tuna? Locally skipjack are preferred for drying and poke. Wavyback are preferred for sashimi. The yellowfin are commercially more viable because they're large and cut quickly per pound but the fisherman know better.
False Albacore. I actually tried to eat one. I don't know if you've ever bit the head off a ballyhoo, but it tasted identical. I guess you could eat them if you really wanted to, and figured out a way to mask the taste. Nobody around here does though. They're typically either released or used as Blue Marlin bait. I knew a guy that fished the king mackerel circuit and always kept them to use as chum because they're so bloody.
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Originally Posted by cummins84 View Post
What's the best way to fish the cedar plug?
Another vote for cedar plugs here. for me and the my style of fishing, the most productive position for cedar plugs is 20-30 feet behind the transom.
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Cedar plugs for sure. I paint them all different colors with white and dark blue being my favorite.

Another unsung hero is the Williams Rubber Ballyhoo. Not an aged classic but for as long as they have existed I have consistently caught fish on them including a 103# wahoo. I bought them as a joke one time cause the bait shop was out of hoos. Now anymore it is a rare occasion when I opt for fresh over the rubber unless I'm rigging a swimmer spread.
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Cedar Plugs are right up there! Fished flatlined about 20' behind the boat.
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If you take away the hoo a green machine behind a little bird has worked well, cedar plug and a monk lure which they don't make anymore. Was a plastic version of a cedar plug with a squid skirt on back. Caught a lot of mahi.
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Green machine number 1 and cedar plug 2 up here.
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Originally Posted by MattH View Post
If you take away the hoo a green machine behind a little bird has worked well, cedar plug and a monk lure which they don't make anymore. Was a plastic version of a cedar plug with a squid skirt on back. Caught a lot of mahi.
This plastic Black Bart with a skirt I added has caught more for me than any other. (Deadly!)

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Originally Posted by Lone Ono View Post
Okay, false albacore aka little tunny, wavy back tuna and locally for me Kawakawa. Regarded by many here as the BEST sashimi fish in the tuna family. Go figure.

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Either we just have very different tastes or we're thinking of two similar but different species. I thought they were technically a different species in the Pacific but I could be wrong on that.

Ask around for a recipe at the marina and someone will likely tell you to marinate it, grill it on a cedar plank, then throw the fish away and eat the cedar plank.
We took some of the Mexican guys we work with fishing and they took a couple home. They couldn't eat it either, and they don't turn down much.
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Running a little off topic but I'm OK with that. A couple weeks ago, we caught a few of what might be the above mentioned critters or might not have been. We didn't take photos so no way to go back and verify.

I think a lot of the misinformation about quality of False Albecore or Little Tunny lies in the following 2 factors:

1. Mis-identification

2. Improper treatment after landing


We ate the two that we caught.

My initial ID on them was Little Tunny as all the stripes were confined above the lateral line. I didn;t notice though whether or not the had spots behind the pectoral fin which is apparently one distinguishing factor between them and Frigate Mackeral and Bullet Mackeral which also look very similar to them. Perhaps this will help? I didn't realize there were any other contenders in this category besides bonita and little tunny until I found this.

http://www.ncfishes.com/knowledge-ba...llet-mackerel/




Whatever they were, I bled them immediately after they were caught and put them directly on ice. They were cut up immediately when we hit the dock and the dark meat and blood line were removed leaving only the lighter pinkish/red meat that is marbled with fat and looks very similar to YFT albeit a little bit more stringy. I then put it on a charcoal grill and grilled it for just a couple minutes. IMHO it was decent eating. There was nothing strong or fishy about it. It reminded me a great deal of roasted venison tenderloin. It was actually better cooked and then slightly chilled than it was fresh off the grill.

Looking at the ID info now, I think they may have been Frigate or Bullet Mackeral but I am not sure.

One man's trash fish is another man's treasure fish. I have been told that many asians view Lizardfish as prized table fair and I have seen some discarded fish that they gathered up that was rotten and stinking to make something. Enough Garlic, ginger, soy suace and Kimchi and you can eat about anything? Don't know, never cared for Asian Cuisine.

So, back to those Classic fish getters...

Looks like the top three classics right now would be:

Cedar Plugs
Blue Islander
Green Machine
Drone Spoons
Bucktail Jigs


and a strong following for putting some of these in chains or behind birds.

Honorable mentions go to:
C&H trolling feathers (no alibi, pro-alibi, dolphin delight)
Black Bart (islander derivative)
Billy Baits
Sea witches
Mold craft wide range


Feel free to keep em coming.

So far most nominees have been trolling style lures. I'm also open nominations for offshore wreck and bottom fishing lures as well as vertical jigging. I suppose hammered diamond jigs, Hopkins, and Kocodiles would be right up there at the top in this category? What say you?
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Does the ilander have to have a ballyhoo or can you run them naked?
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Originally Posted by cwhite6 View Post
Does the ilander have to have a ballyhoo or can you run them naked?
I'm not gonna say you couldn't catch something on them naked, but they're definitely more effective with ballyhoo.
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Originally Posted by ReelFamily View Post
I'm not gonna say you couldn't catch something on them naked, but they're definitely more effective with ballyhoo.
Any luck using the fake ones instead of real ballyhoo?
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Gypsy Lures 5" n 7" jets.Cheap and work very good.
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Originally Posted by cwhite6 View Post
Does the ilander have to have a ballyhoo or can you run them naked?
They do fine with plastic squid skirts over a 4 oz. egg sinker
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Originally Posted by cwhite6 View Post
Any luck using the fake ones instead of real ballyhoo?
I've actually never tried artificial ballyhoo. I have my doubts as to how well they'll swim, and doubt they'd be nearly as effective as the real thing, but they'd be better than nothing. Bill Erhardt's solution appears to be pretty effective as well.
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Originally Posted by Bill Erhardt View Post
They do fine with plastic squid skirts over a 4 oz. egg sinker
How do you get the four ounce sinker rigged with the skirt on the lure?
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