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Old 05-28-2016, 11:41 AM
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Single motor alone does not belong 75 miles off. Offshore help usually comes from fellow fishermen but there will not be many at 75 miles. Many things can go wrong that far off and speed is of no use when unexpected storms or conditions hit you,

I only have 50 years of experience offshore in CC's so what do I know.
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Old 05-28-2016, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by schoolsout1 View Post
He's been fishing for quite a while...as have I. I'd be willing to bet that at my age (33), I have more hours "captaining" a boat than you did at that age, but hey...we're all keyboard commandos here so take it for what it's worth.
I grew up on the water, spent my life offshore but is not a contest between you and I. Not sure what your point because you have not made one. School us if you think that gives you an edge. i love that he fishes, i see the passion, i just want him to be safe. As an experienced captain, why don't you give us your thoughts about a guy taking his wife 75 miles from shore in a 21 foot boat with no raft and then saying he is not careless. ...feel free to use what you have been taught.
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Old 05-28-2016, 12:32 PM
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Confident in your rig and your abilities.......Fish on brother great pics.
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Old 05-28-2016, 01:45 PM
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Kinda makes me jealous, sorta.

I pretty-much stay within sight of shore most of the time (never 75 miles out, tho), and feel better that USCG, TowBoat, SeaTow, etc, can reach me relatively quickly if/when I need them.

Unless, of course, they're all heading out find someone that's 75 miles offshore, and have their resources spread too thin to get to l'il ole me.
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Old 05-28-2016, 02:23 PM
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I have a bay boat, and the Florida Keys are somewhat different than a lot of places due to large number of boats off shore, but I will got 40 miles out if weather forecast is good. Boat plan filed, epirb, ditch bag, spare battery, etc. No life raft, but sat phone coming this year. Plan trips based on good weather, carry proper safety gear, and fish on. Numerous failures are fuel related, so twins off same fuel tank moot point.
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Old 05-28-2016, 02:27 PM
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I find this thread interesting and very similar to my previous boat. I had a 07 2120 Parker and would go hunting for tuna 30-60 miles from my inlet. On a couple of occasions I pushed close to 70. Last year I bumped up with a new 2520(Deep Vee) and made about 6 trips 75 off with a single 300 . For some people this might not be a good idea but I have been fishing a lonnnggg time
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Old 05-28-2016, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Warlock View Post
Single motor alone does not belong 75 miles off. Offshore help usually comes from fellow fishermen but there will not be many at 75 miles. Many things can go wrong that far off and speed is of no use when unexpected storms or conditions hit you,

I only have 50 years of experience offshore in CC's so what do I know.
I didn't look close enough to know where the OP is from but depending on where he is you might be wrong. On a nice day in NJ you will probably find 100 boats 75 miles out at the chicken hole and maybe 200 boats 100 miles off at the Hudson.


These posts are rediculous. Some people are afraid to leave the inlet. Some afraid to leave sight of land. Some afraid to be out at night. Personally, I'd be at my happiest chugging to Bermuda or across the gulf to Mexico. Everybody is a product of their experiences and some people build on them and some people regress from them. Only you can decide how far offshore you should be.

Usually a good ass kicking leads to wanting a bigger boat though.
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Old 05-28-2016, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TUNEE View Post
I grew up on the water, spent my life offshore but is not a contest between you and I. Not sure what your point because you have not made one. School us if you think that gives you an edge. i love that he fishes, i see the passion, i just want him to be safe. As an experienced captain, why don't you give us your thoughts about a guy taking his wife 75 miles from shore in a 21 foot boat with no raft and then saying he is not careless. ...feel free to use what you have been taught.
You keep mentioning experience...I was just touching on that subject. Apparently, by you mentioning experience and me talking about it was lost on you.

I know plenty of people that fish with no raft...I also have relatives that came before me and ran on single engine boats with fuel bladders and RDFs to find their way back to port.

People have been going offshore long before all this technology was available...
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Old 05-28-2016, 03:32 PM
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Curious ... What is your range fuel wise?
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Old 05-28-2016, 03:47 PM
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the reason folks do it, is because they never experienced the unexpected.

50+ years on the water says not a safe bet, let these guys see 10-15 footers in a squall, sustained 25-40 knots, then see how quick they go that far again.

Been there done that, but on bigger boat.

Nice to say someone can rescue you, but is right to risk those that do.

Sounds like bar/dock bragging rights, like I dated 10 girls last week.
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Old 05-28-2016, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 View Post
the reason folks do it, is because they never experienced the unexpected.

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That's what you think?

I'll tell you this...craziest thing that's happened to me was fishing in a 24' Hydrasport...spun a hub and putted in. Less than 24 hours later, a Cat 1 hurricane made landfall. Things happen...weather is unpredictable...I think we all realize that.
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Old 05-28-2016, 05:10 PM
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He's not the only one doing this. I've seen 20-22ft single outboard boats 70 off before. Would I do it? No, but that doesn't mean he is careless. Everyone takes their chances when your that far off, regardless of boat size. Captaining skills are everything as far a s big weather goes. It takes ALOT to swallow a boat up if driven by a skilled captain. I'm not saying he is or isn't, I'm just saying it can be done in, what I consider to be, a relatively safe matter with the right person behind the wheel.

I can't help but think alot of the comments about being careless are from owners of 23-25 ft boats who are scared to take their boat out that far and a little jealous of this giy living the dream in a 21 footer....
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Old 05-28-2016, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TUNEE View Post
The forecast is always right and nice days never get ugly....here is a guy with lots of offshore experience.
Grew up fishing out of morehead city,10 years in the Navy, a coast guard captains license and own/ran a charter boat for 5 years and at age 48 I'd say I am about average...I must of lost you with my post... "a bunch of nancies on this board" i thought was funny and i guess you took that personal and everyday it's nice there are a bunch of small boats out of charleston where the ledge is 40 miles out. There are so many of them they are called the mosquito fleet.
I did not agree or disagree with the man being 75 miles out. Hell..it's his business. I have done it in a 23 key west. I had the range electronics and safety equipment. I like plenty of people love offshore. On a positive note...HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY to all that served and sacrificed
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Old 05-28-2016, 05:18 PM
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In a nut shell,
YOU CAN'T PUT A WISE HEAD ON INEXPERIENCED OR YOUNG SHOULDERS.
How many experienced/weathered licensed captains would do such a thing?
None I know of.

Call the coast guard, ask their in put about this subject and report back what they think of a solo 75 mile off shore trip in a 21', single engine boat with no life raft.

I've been out there on beautiful days in our Marlin 300 and all of a sudden it turns to shit and you have to high tail it back towards shore as fast as you can.

It "WILL" catch up with you one day and you may not live through it to tell the story.
Don't know about you folks but I'm not dancing with the Devil.
The sea is a heartless bitch that will suck you down under without a seconds notice or thought.

It's not a case of "IF" but "WHEN", which nobody knows but the man up stairs.

All I can say is do your families and kids a HUGH favor and make sure your life insurances polices are paid up.
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Old 05-28-2016, 05:35 PM
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nice boat
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Old 05-28-2016, 05:47 PM
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First, cool little boat and great pics!

Second, why come and ask the question if you do not plan to heed advice given or if you already have a reply prepared in defense of your question?

Of course I am not the captain of your boat nor am I on your boat. BUT, I do have a little heartache with this comment:

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With an eperb even at 75 miles your only an hr or two from coast gard rescue tops.
This is very telling as to your willingness to put others in harms way due to your carelessness or lack of planning. As a former SAR pilot this is what frustrates me; people do not think twice about putting others at risk...Of course this is job security for people like me *and* my chosen profession but I want to go home after work to see my wife and family. Now due to someones carelessness I've got to be out over the water at night with an entire crew that also has families looking for someone that maybe should not have been there in the first place.

Also, what if the coast guard crew you to which you are referring is already on another case? What if they cannot get there due to convective activity? Etc, Etc Etc, ad nauseum.

However, as someone who used to run a 17 Montauk 30 miles into the gulf of mexico as a kid, I have done careless things...as a kid. However, the idea is that we are supposed to wise up as we get older. There are others depending on your skill and experience to bring them home safely (hint hint, your badass wife - BTW, totally cool that she loves to fish with you!)

I really dont have an issue with a quality, well maintained, 21 foot boat captained by an experienced and conservative captain with all necessary safety gear (life raft - with current inspection, epirb(s), plb attached to captain, etc.......) with a large good weather window.

Just don't be careless or cavalier and dont put others at risk needlessly.

Check the appropriate boxes ----> get a good raft and a good weather window and have at it!
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Old 05-28-2016, 09:15 PM
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Usually, when I hear of a boat going down near here, it's a larger boat. Lots to go wrong on big boats that sit in water and have shafts sticking through the bottom of the hull as well as other thru-hulls. All I'm saying is there seems to be a lot of nancies on here and I'm crazy for trying to fish the other side of the stream 100+ miles out in a 26' CC, too Hey, you could die driving down the road or going offshore. It's all a calculated risk...
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Originally Posted by BACK TO REELALITY View Post
He's not the only one doing this. I've seen 20-22ft single outboard boats 70 off before. Would I do it? No, but that doesn't mean he is careless. Everyone takes their chances when your that far off, regardless of boat size. Captaining skills are everything as far a s big weather goes. It takes ALOT to swallow a boat up if driven by a skilled captain. I'm not saying he is or isn't, I'm just saying it can be done in, what I consider to be, a relatively safe matter with the right person behind the wheel.

I can't help but think alot of the comments about being careless are from owners of 23-25 ft boats who are scared to take their boat out that far and a little jealous of this giy living the dream in a 21 footer....
I know he is not the only one but he asked the question. Not being the only one does not justify it in any way. Im sure you know plenty of people that do. That is a beautiful boat but not an offshore boat. I dont agree with much of this post but a skillled captain is prepared and uses sound judgment.

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Originally Posted by schoolsout1 View Post
You keep mentioning experience...I was just touching on that subject. Apparently, by you mentioning experience and me talking about it was lost on you.

I know plenty of people that fish with no raft...I also have relatives that came before me and ran on single engine boats with fuel bladders and RDFs to find their way back to port.

People have been going offshore long before all this technology was available...
This is just another good example of a bad post.
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Lots of bravado in some of these posts.. I have taken a 23 footer with a single out 55nm and had no issues..
I have also taken a 26 Glacier bay cat with twins out 40 miles and been caught in a squall so bad it broke welds and ripped the radar off the top of the boat. Seas went from slick to completely unmanageable in about 10 minutes. We were unable to take the seas on the bow, which in a glacier bay is saying something. We definitely could not run side sea, so we put them on the stern and fought from broaching for 45 minutes. We were standing in ankle deep water.. everybody had life jackets on.. we were literally fighting to keep the boat afloat. Winds in that storm cell hit 65kts. It was all over in under an hr.. the radio was lit up with distress calls from other boats. Coast guard had their hands full and I damn sure wouldn't have wanted to depend on them that day, too many others were.
That day was a 10 out of 10 type day.. slick seas, blue sky.. We saw the storm coming on XM weather, as well as radar. We were actually picked up and running north as the marine weather was indicating a severe cell moving at over 50 mph. Guess what, our boat was a 25kt boat. That storm closed on us so fast I watched it come up our wake line and blow our wake sideways like driving rain. The wind hit us 90 degrees off port, flat broadside.. it heeled the boat over so hard I thought we were going over.
In the end we survived.. largely because 2 out of 5 of us had been in bad shit before and kept working at it to keep from losing control. I bailed as much water as I could while directing the driver when to throttle based on waves about to break over our stern. The 3 people we took that day were terrified to the point of being incapacitated. Through the whole ordeal nobody on our vessel made a distress call.. we were simply too saturated with trying to maintain control.. that could have been a critical mistake had we not been able to keep her afloat.
I only tell you this to make you aware how fast things can go to shit out there. If that happened on your boat, would your wife be level headed enough and know what to do?
I think fishing offshore is a matter of risk calculation.. if you have mitigated your risk to a level where you and your crew are completely comfortable then I say go for it. What I find often is the attitude of the captain usually sets the tone for the crew.. if you say its safe to do.. they are going to follow like sheep. You should take the time to really inform them of what can go wrong, and what to do if it does. Best of luck to you, those are some great pictures you posted.. looks like you have caught the only keeper that matters anyway.. keep her and yourself safe out there!
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