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Old 12-12-2015, 07:10 AM   #1
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Default acid/spiral wrap trolling rods

I'm thinking about building a pair of trolling/bottom rods for my avet hxw's. Currently I'm using detachable butts with full roller rods. Great for trolling but I don't like them for anything else and they're a bit overkill for my hxw's. The new rods will be much lighter and use fuji guides instead of rollers. I'm considering acid/spiral wrapping the guides. Has anyone used this style wrap for trolling? It's great for bottom fishing but I'm not sure if there's any disadvantage for trolling.

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The "advantage" doesn't care if you are trolling or bottom fishing. The advantage of having a spiral wrapped rod is when you are fighting a fish with the rod after you have trolled or bottom fished.

There is no disadvantage to trolling with a spiral wrapped setup.
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The "advantage" doesn't care if you are trolling or bottom fishing. The advantage of having a spiral wrapped rod is when you are fighting a fish with the rod after you have trolled or bottom fished.

There is no disadvantage to trolling with a spiral wrapped setup.
Nailed it. All my rods would be spiral if I could get all custom.
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only disadvantage would be the need to be more careful with level wind. trolling will have more line out and reels will side load
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Nailed it. All my rods would be spiral if I could get all custom.
How does a spiral(or acid wrap) wrap give you an advantage? always thought of it as a gimmick. Serious question as Ive never used one. Everyone I've seen have turned towards the handle side and I think that would change the balance.
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How does a spiral(or acid wrap) wrap give you an advantage? always thought of it as a gimmick. Serious question as Ive never used one. Everyone I've seen have turned towards the handle side and I think that would change the balance.
I bought 2 spirals from Pinnacle, 1 for my 80 year old dad & one for my daughter. The advantage is you don't have to worry about rod twisting in their hands, especially works well for those who are not as strong. Think of a spinning rod angle during retrieve but with a conventional reel on top - kind of only way I know to explain it.

It really made a huge difference for my dad when pulling up bottom fish. We troll with it too and he does fine with kings and dolphin. If bigger fish hit a bent butt or other combo and he starts to struggle I just let him reel from a rod holder.
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only disadvantage would be the need to be more careful with level wind. trolling will have more line out and reels will side load
thats what spiral wrapping reduces
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How does a spiral(or acid wrap) wrap give you an advantage? always thought of it as a gimmick. Serious question as Ive never used one. Everyone I've seen have turned towards the handle side and I think that would change the balance.
changes the angle and reduces the way the combo wants to turn over in your hands when under load so less effort fighting the rod and more on the fish
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changes the angle and reduces the way the combo wants to turn over in your hands when under load so less effort fighting the rod and more on the fish
Do you think it makes a difference fighting big fish.? 35lbs of drag or more?
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Do you think it makes a difference fighting big fish.? 35lbs of drag or more?
harnessed in (which you should be at those pressures) probably negligible
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Do you think it makes a difference fighting big fish.? 35lbs of drag or more?
Yes it makes a difference. there is a huge advantage in the spiral wrap than just a gimmick. Many that actually try it find that out. All of our live bait rods are this way and I will not change back. Jigging is the same way. I will say that being harnessed in might not see the same advantages but I'd be willing to bet it would there too
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Thanks everyone. I plan to build a set over the winter. Probably going with 5'6 20-50lb mudhole gorilla blanks.
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Here is a great explanation via video on how a spiral wrapped rod works

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K_-JaZYc6k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i0HOCe2EoU
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Its funny the reason for the guide placement on the bottom of the rod initially had nothing to do with fighting a fish. The Roberts wrap was for casting on surf rods so less guides could be used reducing weight at the tip of the rod and increasing casting distance.

Also it will tend to side load a casting reel.
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I have met very few who can put AND HOLD 28 pounds of drag on a fish, let alone 35..and that was in Nova on giant bluefin, and certainly not standup.
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I have met very few who can put AND HOLD 28 pounds of drag on a fish, let alone 35..and that was in Nova on giant bluefin, and certainly not standup.
70s are set at 25lbs at strike. Most of our bigeye are fought at strike and thumbing the spool when needed. Ive been full drag many times with swords and slob bigeye when you need to break their spirit. I believe Dennis Braid is at 35 lbs with stand up 80s up there in PEI and he's like 5 nothing and a hundred and nothing.
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70s are set at 25lbs at strike. Most of our bigeye are fought at strike and thumbing the spool when needed. Ive been full drag many times with swords and slob bigeye when you need to break their spirit. I believe Dennis Braid is at 35 lbs with stand up 80s up there in PEI and he's like 5 nothing and a hundred and nothing.
Dennis is using a harness. 35 is definitely doable with a good harness if you know what you are doing.

Brian Shaw (current worlds strongest man) would have a hard time 35 pounds of drag without a harness.
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Dennis is using a harness. 35 is definitely doable with a good harness if you know what you are doing.

Brian Shaw (current worlds strongest man) would have a hard time 35 pounds of drag without a harness.
I'm at two and change fighting a 267lbs bigeye I'm past strike and standing straight up. Its not that difficult. btw Braid is my favorite stand up setup.
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70s are set at 25lbs at strike. Most of our bigeye are fought at strike and thumbing the spool when needed. Ive been full drag many times with swords and slob bigeye when you need to break their spirit. I believe Dennis Braid is at 35 lbs with stand up 80s up there in PEI and he's like 5 nothing and a hundred and nothing.
Dennis Braid is far from a weekend warrior, as well.
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I'm at two and change fighting a 267lbs bigeye I'm past strike and standing straight up. Its not that difficult. btw Braid is my favorite stand up setup.
What do you mean two and change? Your body weight?

Thats pretty decent form there, enough to where I will engage you in the conversation of drags during standup fishing. I do quite a bit of tuna fishing myself and with deep battles like that, I prefer bent butt, but to each his own. If you havent already, check out the adjustable butts from Winthrop Tool tackle, offering the best of both worlds.
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