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Old 11-15-2005, 09:53 PM
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Default the accurate 12 platinum twin drag - rebuild

this is the first accurate i've ever torn down and rebuilt.



my buddy dropped off a bucket of two speed reels several weeks ago, and i just finished them all last night. amazing how similar they are. two penn internationals, two penn kg's, three tiagras, a daiwa and a lone accurate 12. several friends prior had asked if i was interested in taking a look at their accurates, but i had always referred them back to the manufacturer. this guy says that he sent his accurate to the manufacturer twice, and each time it came back with the same problem. freespool was poor and the drag was sticky. so i agreed.

the accurate rep told me long ago that the reel was very easy to work on. i decided to dive in and give it a try. here's the link to the schematic.



pulling the frame off the side plate is easy, just 5 screws (key # 93).



next, remove the preset arm (key #18), the preset arm support (key #24),



remove the spool shaft retainer g/s (key #26), do not disturb or change the orientation of the main lever arm assembly.



and pull the spool. here's a right side view,



and left side view



remove all sixteen spool cover screws (key #72) and the spool shaft assembly,



sorry for the blurry image, but note the water intrusion into the drag washer in the photo above and the two photos below,





the bearings were pulled, the pressed in shields were pried out with a small pen knife, the grease was cleaned out with carb cleaner and compressed air, lubed with corrosion x, and re-installed.



the dry drag washers were then rubbed vigorously with a clean dry rag to remove the loose salt crystals, a generous amount of shimano drag grease was applied to both sides of the drag washer, the washer was installed and the excess grease was wiped off the pressure plate contact side of the washer. the spool was then reassembled.



the spool was re-inserted into the side plate, the lever and retaining c-clip were reinstalled, and the preset arm was reinstalled.



bolt on the frame and you're done. total elapsed time was 45 minutes. the drag was set so that the drag would measure out to about 20#'s at strike when the preset lever was at "H." one trick to this. keep the tension cam assembly in place. note also that the rim of the spool is wider on the left side that the right.



now, a couple of comments. first, this is a beautifully made reel, inside and out!!!!!!! the machinists that make this reel must be very proud of their work. and rightly so.

second, the dry carbon fiber drag washer will foul after exposure to salt water. the three photos make that painfully obvious. it is no more resistant to fouling that any other dry carbon system. shimano two speeds, daiwa two speeds, penn v series internationals and tiburons all use a greased carbon fiber drag system. i think accurate should consider this as well. i do not know what the total failure rate of accurates is, but my series of one reel has a 100% failure rate.

third, when the reel is in freespool and out of gear, the two stainless steel drag pressure plates (key #80) press out against the spool covers (key #'s 75 and 90) and provide some protection against saltwater intrusion. when the reel is in gear, there is a gap that water can enter. shimano tld's and tiagra's are just the opposite. shimano has a gasket system that seals the drag chamber when the reel is gear, and is slightly open when the reel is in freespool. leave your accurate 12 in freespool when you hose it off.

fourth, the shielded abec-5 spool bearings in the accurate 12 were packed with grease. this is probably fine until the grease hardens over time. i think shimano has the right idea with their "ARB" open bearing. with cleaned bearings, this reel now has 45 seconds of freespool instead of 5 seconds.

fifth, i think the design of the tension cam assembly is brilliant! the drag range is almost infinitely adjustable. very cool.

sixth, i think the handle grip is too small. if you agree and want a larger grip, it's easy to fix.

conclusion, is worth $999? yes! but can you afford it?

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Default Re: the accurate 12 platinum twin drag - rebuild

Great posts Alantani! Do you think the #50 will be the same? I am sure it will. I just got accurate #50 and love it so far. It is so so light and the drag seems smooth as silk. I think the #50 accurate is as heavy as a penn #30. Not bad but it even had a big price tag even on e-bay.
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thanks! this is the first ever accurate that i've opened up. very logical design. here's the 50 schematic...

http://www.accuratefishing.com/pdfs/ATD50IPB.pdf

it's very similar to the 12....

http://www.accuratefishing.com/pdfs/ATD12IPB.pdf
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alantani - 11/15/2005 9:53 PM

when the reel is in freespool and out of gear, the two stainless steel drag pressure plates (key #80) press out against the spool covers (key #'s 75 and 90) and provide some protection against saltwater intrusion. when the reel is in gear, there is a gap that water can enter. shimano tld's and tiagra's are just the opposite. shimano has a gasket system that seals the drag chamber when the reel is gear, and is slightly open when the reel is in freespool. leave your accurate 12 in freespool when you hose it off.
Thanks for the info. I've been putting the drag on full before hosing off, but now I know to put it in freespool instead.





Thanks again for the detailed info.
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Alan,

What does this mean:

"with cleaned bearings, this reel now has 45 seconds of freespool instead of 5 seconds. "

I'm not very familiar with lever drags or their terminology. Does this mean it will freespool for 45 seconds before stopping or???
Terry ;?
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yeah, it just blew my mind. with the drag set to 20#'s at strike, you can push the drag lever back to free, spin the spool and it will spin for 45 seconds. before cleaning out the bearings, it would only spin for 5 seconds.
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alantani- I copied and pasted your post (including pics) into a Word document for future reference. If I get brave enough to try it on my own, then can't get the thing back together, I might be e-mailing you in a panic.

You are a great asset to the forum.
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i listed and i'm easy to find. call any time!
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you should have your own website can i send you my boss 270..... thanks
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no website for me! i'm happy mooching off of wiley and other guys. this reel stuff cuts into my fishing time too much as it is. and if you reel works ok for now, then let's just leave it. if there's a problem, let's talk to accurate first. i just heard third hand that accurate is going to start greasing their drag washers.
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Default RE: the accurate 12 platinum twin drag - rebuild

Drifter - 11/15/2005 10:55 PM

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when the reel is in freespool and out of gear, the two stainless steel drag pressure plates (key #80) press out against the spool covers (key #'s 75 and 90) and provide some protection against saltwater intrusion. when the reel is in gear, there is a gap that water can enter. shimano tld's and tiagra's are just the opposite. shimano has a gasket system that seals the drag chamber when the reel is gear, and is slightly open when the reel is in freespool. leave your accurate 12 in freespool when you hose it off.
Thanks for the info. I've been putting the drag on full before hosing off, but now I know to put it in freespool instead.
Alan- Interesting that the Accurate manual indicates full drag for washing.

Page 6 on the link:

http://www.accuratefishing.com/pdfs/tdrmanual.pdf


I wonder if that's why you saw evidence of water intrusion on the reel in the pics. Perhaps the owner followed the manufactuer's recommendation, resulting in water seeping through the gap...

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here's the problem....



this is a view of the right side of the spool. with no tension on the drag pressure plates, these plates push back against the spool cover and seal the drag chamber against water intrusion. there is no rubber gasket, just flat metal pushing against flat plastic. if you submerge the reel, water will obviously intrude, but if it's just splashed or hosed, water likely will not.

when the reel is in gear, the drag pressure plate is pressed inward against the drag washer, leaving a HUGE gap between pressure plate and the spool cap. i think you can see that this situation has the potential to be many times worse.

here's the solution from shimano. note the rubber gasket inside the spool cap....



now note the metal "lip" at the top of the drag pressure plate....



when the reel is in "free," there is no contact between the pressure plate and the spool cap. this allows the spool to turn freely. when the lever is thrown forward to strike, the drag pressure plate is forced down against the drag washer and the top lip of the pressure plate wedges up against the rubber gasket of the spool cap and seals the drag pressure chamber against water intrusion. very slick. shimano has this. penn and accurate do not. and avet is just plain open with no spool cap at all.

here is what the pressure plate and spool cap look like together. the lip of the pressure plate is resting against the gasket, but you get the idea....



note that this gasket system of shimano's is not 100%. you see in this picture that there is evidence of EXTENSIVE water intrusion, soaking into this non-greased canvas drag washer on the left. it will soon be replace by the carbon fiber drag washer on the right.



here is another shimano lever drag reel that shows bearing damage (rust) and water damage to the drag washer.



so there are several points to make here.

one, canvas drags are subject to water damage because they cannot function if greased. they must remain absolutely dry. want 100% reliability? do what shimano did in their two speed reels over 30 years ago and use a greased carbon fiber drag washer.

two, water intrusion into shielded bearings will cause corrosion even if the bearings are greased. shields will keep a little water out. if water intrusion is extensive and the water gets past the shields, these shields will now hold that water in and the bearing will rust even in the presence of grease. i know this because i change out a lot of shielded bearings that are rusted. this may change someday, but currently i recommended removing the shields and leaving them open, cleaning out all the hardended grease, and lubing them up with corrosion x. shimano makes a light bearing grease that i will use for a reel that will see extreme service and does not require alot of freespool. bottom line here is that a grease carbon fiber drag is forever, but a bearing, no matter what i do, is not.

three. shimano reels should be washed down in "strike." penn and accurate should be washed in "free." avets, with no spool cap at all, should be washed in "strike."

pain in the butt, huh!!!!!!!
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Alan- As always, your insight is appreciated.
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alantani
It's funny you posted the canvas drag washer tonight. I just did my shimano tld20 tonight and was proud as a peacock after greasing my "canvas" drag washer. thought it came out great. glad to find out I shouldn't do that . . I'll have to replace it with a carbon fiber. Thanks again for posting all the details. I wish i had read it first.
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jim, i use the carbon fiber drag washer from the shimano tld 20/30 two speed and install it in the tld 20/25 single speed. there's a post on this somewhere. you have to trim off the nubs and grind it down a few millimeters. it takes 10 seconds once you're set up. i'm waiting for an order of 30 of them to arrive. after i get them cut, do you want one?
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alantani
Thanks for the offer but I also need to order a bearing that I took the shield off to clean I'll get the hang of the bearing thing also

keep the posts coming. I find them very informative

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