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Old 03-05-2015, 02:11 PM
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Default Big Senators..

Someones goin shark fishin..!

kbeverly sent me a few of his big Senators..

These are 6/0's, 9/0's and a 10/0

Some before pics:
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A little corrosion on the 6/0's
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SOME AFTER PICS

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Thanks Keith...

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cant wait to see the after pics! You are in good hands kbeverly
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Originally Posted by gamefish25 View Post
cant wait to see the after pics! You are in good hands kbeverly
Ummmmm...bottom two pictures was after...














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Thanks Rick. Looking forward to getting them back. Don't plan on sharkin' but maybe try some YF tuna in late spring.
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Originally Posted by triumphrick View Post
Ummmmm...bottom two pictures was after...














If gamefish can't tell the difference, I can. They look pretty darn good to me.

He'll see it next time around.
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Originally Posted by kbeverley View Post
Thanks Rick. Looking forward to getting them back. Don't plan on sharkin' but maybe try some YF tuna in late spring.

New drags, along with cleaned drags and bearings and they are up to the task..

Thanks for sending them in Keith...!
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Originally Posted by kbeverley View Post
If gamefish can't tell the difference, I can. They look pretty darn good to me.

He'll see it next time around.
Preston's been out on the water all day long fishing...

He's just a little tired...
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Originally Posted by gamefish25 View Post
cant wait to see the after pics! You are in good hands kbeverly
Haha sorry i just saw one pic on my old phone.

I see em now...they look great!!
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Originally Posted by triumphrick View Post
Preston's been out on the water all day long fishing...

He's just a little tired...
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Hey Rick,
I've got an old Penn 6/0 and two Diawa 9/0's. Do you work on Diawa's? Maybe I'll send them down once you get down with my TLD's.
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Okay I have a really stupid question. I have never early understood what 4/0, 6/0, 9/0, and 10/0 really mean?

4/0 = 112?
6/0 = 113?
9/0 = ??
10/0 = ??

I'd appreciate it if some one could break this down to say the fifth grade level so I can understand it.
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Originally Posted by JollyMonNJ View Post
Hey Rick,
I've got an old Penn 6/0 and two Diawa 9/0's. Do you work on Diawa's? Maybe I'll send them down once you get down with my TLD's.
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Your TLD's are the next batch of reels I get into...I had sold out of the molded handles, and they just arrived yesterday.

You bet I can service them. I like those old Sealines....they clean up nicely and are every bit as capable as the Senators..
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Originally Posted by Tawn View Post
Okay I have a really stupid question. I have never early understood what 4/0, 6/0, 9/0, and 10/0 really mean?

4/0 = 112?
6/0 = 113?
9/0 = ??
10/0 = ??

I'd appreciate it if some one could break this down to say the fifth grade level so I can understand it.
I will quote Robert Janssen who happened to post over on Alan Tani's site a few years back. Robert knows his reel history and mentioned this about the early nomenclature used for reels:

"
We had a long discussion about this with the historians at ORCA a few years ago.

So anyway, the /0 system is a largely arbitrary system whose origins have long since fallen into obscurity, if they were ever known.

(the O for Ocean theory fails by reason of its own redundancy: If you have a 9/O reel, then of course it is for ocean fishing. You don't need an O to tell you that. Like having a battleship, marked W for War.)

By will or by happenstance, the system was adapted by most manufacturers, and size designations coincide rather well. That is to say, for example a 6/0 Pflueger Atlapac is roughly the same size as a Kovalovsky 6/0, or a Fin-Nor 6/0 or a Gladiator 6/0.

The size range is still in use by some manufacturers today, although many more now use the IGFA line-class designations of 20, 30, 50 and 80 and so on, which is also very similar across a broad range of reels. Where or when or by who this system came into use is not entirely clear, although it may have been popularized the debut of the Penn International series in the mid 1960s. And like usual, other manufacturers followed suit.

And since the two systems follow one another quite nicely sizewise, it can be said that a 2½/0 = 20 lb class, 4/0 = 30 lb, 6/0 = 50 lb, 9/0 = 80 lb and so on.

And that's about it."

As far as the newer designations, this is something I had copied years ago:

110 = 1/0 (discontinued)
111 = 2/0 (discontinued)
112 = 3/0
113 = 4/0
114 = 6/0
115 = 9/0
116A = 10/0 (discontinued)
116 = 12/0
117 = 14/0
118 = 16/0 (discontinued)

All of these reels came with black sideplates and in the case of the 4/0 and larger, a chrome plated bronze 1 piece spool. Some people refer to these as "old school" spools. Black sideplate 1/0 - 3/0 reels had a 3 piece chrome plated bronze spool. Very early large Senators, also had this 3 piece spool design and ain't too desirable.
Now most Senators have a L added to the model #(Example 115L) that denotes the reel comes with a 1 piece aluminum spool.
To further complicate things, there is also some Senators(112H, 113H, and 114H) that have a H in the model number. These reels have a high speed retrieve gear ratio with red sideplates instead of black. They came with and without the L designation.
Then to further confuse you, there are the 2 wide versions (113HLW and 114HLW). The 113HLW is red sideplate 4/0, with highspeed retrieve and a wider aluminum spool that is the same width as a 6/0. The 114HLW is a red sideplate 6/0, with high speed retrieve and a wider aluminum spool that is as wide as a 9/0. The HLW series reels hold a little more(10-20%) line than the standard width of the same model.
Senators got bigger in diameter and wider each time you went up a size. There are 4 exceptions to this. The already mentioned HLW series + the 10/0 and the 16/0. The 10/0 was the same width as a 9/0 but had the diameter of a 12/0 and the only difference between the 14/0 and 16/0 was width.
Confusing as all that is, if you can remember it, you'll at least know what is being talked about.
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Switch your handles to the longer option instead of the way they are set up. The extra leverage you gain is worth it.
They look great btw
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Thanks Rick - I learn something new everyday.
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They look great 👍🏼. I've retired my old 116L to the display case, still looking for a 118 for a decent price.
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Awesome. Love my senators. 9/0 and 4/0 pairs. Rick cleaned and upgraded mine.
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