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Old 01-04-2015, 11:44 AM
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Default Pulling dredges on center consoles

Hey guys with todays big center consoles what is the best way to pull dredges for marlin and sails. I am personally used to pulling them out of the riggers with electrics but my center console riggers are not strong enough i think to pull them. Any of you guys got any ideas?
Old 01-04-2015, 11:54 AM
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Do you have a downrigger(s) that you can pull them from?
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Downrigger is probably the most economical. The only problem is that they are tough to see from the vantage point on a CC.
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Default What Kind of outriggers and what kind of mounts>

Originally Posted by floridacowboy View Post
Hey guys with todays big center consoles what is the best way to pull dredges for marlin and sails. I am personally used to pulling them out of the riggers with electrics but my center console riggers are not strong enough i think to pull them. Any of you guys got any ideas?
I have a new and Improved longer outrigger that will pull your dredge from 13 ft out. Just like the big boats. The biggest problem is the mounts. That can be fixed with a line going forward to take the pressure off the mount. Not the rigger. Yes I am well experienced at pulling dredges.

With my outrigger you can also lift it out of the water when chasing the fish. This is the center console outrigger that no one else even has a chance of duplicating.
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That sounds pretty interesting Bly could u post some pics? And no i currently don't have any downriggers maybe something to invest in.
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Another option is the Teaser Booms made by Tournament Cable. I used them for years on my old CC with great success. They are made to position the dredge perfectly out of the wash, and are run off the last stern rod holder. They run around $180 each, and you don't have to mount an unsightly downrigger block on your gunnel. We ran two tiered collapsible dredges (Tournaments EZ-6 with a rigged 32OZ or 48OZ weight) without any issues in both natural and artificial off the booms. With this set-up we could retrieve the dredges quickly and store in the cockpit corner while fighting fish. We target mainly White Marlin here in NJ, and the dredges raised fish, along with a teaser set up using pancake reels mounted under the T-Top.
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I use Bly's riggers and pull double dredges. We use electric reels for the heavy lifting. We use a pulley on the front of the dredge, and run from the tip of a 130 class rod with a swivel tip down to the dredge and back up to the rigger. When we get our bite, we simly wind the dredges in and go get the fish..... We have the boat down in Ft. Pierce and we are waiting on the fish to get there, its been slow. Here are a few pics of our set up.


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Old 01-05-2015, 10:53 AM
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I use two bent butt rods (that I replaced with heavy duty FUJI SIC guides and they have penn 80 VS on them. They handle the huge squid nation dredges without an issue
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Default Why store in the cockpit when you can hang them from the outrigger like the big boats

Originally Posted by cobraarvey View Post
Another option is the Teaser Booms made by Tournament Cable. I used them for years on my old CC with great success. They are made to position the dredge perfectly out of the wash, and are run off the last stern rod holder. They run around $180 each, and you don't have to mount an unsightly downrigger block on your gunnel. We ran two tiered collapsible dredges (Tournaments EZ-6 with a rigged 32OZ or 48OZ weight) without any issues in both natural and artificial off the booms. With this set-up we could retrieve the dredges quickly and store in the cockpit corner while fighting fish. We target mainly White Marlin here in NJ, and the dredges raised fish, along with a teaser set up using pancake reels mounted under the T-Top.
Also that has to be bruising and damaging the cockpit finnish, Between the boat rocking and a possible multiple fish landing on it at gaffing time. I tried to talk Tournament Cable into working with me on this Idea and he blew me off. Said it can't be done.


Mark is using My standard normal 20 ft outriggers. Wait til you see him with the heavier duty ones that can pull a dredge even easier.
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My brother uses strip teasers on his dredges and rigs them through his outriggers, he uses an old 10/0 penn on a cut off junk rod to bring them in and out.
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I use a strip teaser off the rear cleat and hand line in. Takes all of thirty seconds to pull in. Don't see the need to use a rod/ reel. Maybe in the future with a bigger boat.
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Originally Posted by J Lightning View Post
I use a strip teaser off the rear cleat and hand line in. Takes all of thirty seconds to pull in. Don't see the need to use a rod/ reel. Maybe in the future with a bigger boat.
You would be surprised how much easier it is to see the marlin coming up on a dredge if you are out to the side farther. Many times they will stay lower and come up into the dredge from behind. Its hard enough with out having a much higher Fly bridge to look down into the clean water with out pulling the dredge directly behind the boat in the wash.
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Originally Posted by Bly View Post
You would be surprised how much easier it is to see the marlin coming up on a dredge if you are out to the side farther. Many times they will stay lower and come up into the dredge from behind. Its hard enough with out having a much higher Fly bridge to look down into the clean water with out pulling the dredge directly behind the boat in the wash.
Yep its about having the dredge in the clean water, and being able to prospect it all day.
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Originally Posted by Bly View Post
Also that has to be bruising and damaging the cockpit finnish, Between the boat rocking and a possible multiple fish landing on it at gaffing time. I tried to talk Tournament Cable into working with me on this Idea and he blew me off. Said it can't be done.


Mark is using My standard normal 20 ft outriggers. Wait til you see him with the heavier duty ones that can pull a dredge even easier.
Bly, no doubt your riggers are a great option for a CC, and the way to go if you have the coin. If I still had my CC, I would be making the switch to your riggers to allow me to pull two or three tiered dredges. As I mention in the beginning of my response, I was just presenting another option. Especially if he wants to experiment with pulling dredges prior to jumping in with both feet for new riggers, dredge reels/rods, and rigging. When all is said an done to do it right, he would need to spend thousands to run dredges off his riggers. With the booms, he can be set up for under $500.

But you are correct, with the teaser booms you definitely have to be careful how you handle the weight to avoid damaging the gel coat. And you certainly have to deal with clutter in the cockpit while fighting a fish. Again, you have an economical option, before you go all in. And an option that gets the dredge out of the wash, in the same spot as it would be if run off his riggers. I would also agree that I never saw a white below the surface on a dredge before I bought the teaser booms. But with the booms I did. Even from the cockpit of a CC, without the advantage that a fly-bridge or tower gives you.

As was mentioned by others, strip teasers are another economical option. I'm not a fan, since dredges have certainly evolved into more realistic natural or plastic replicas of bait fish, (not to mention they are a hassle to store). In these parts you don't see any of the big boys pulling dredges with strip teasers any more. Depending on the OP's pocketbook, there are numerous options.
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Default I got asked to do a dredge rigger for a 28 Regulator.

It sold through Palmetto Boat sales in charleston. I believe I sent riggers for the first new 25 regulator there last year or the year before? Its all a giant blend< I been so busy. These are shortened version of my 24 ft 6 inch. dredge riggers, The boats only 28 ft. So 22 ft 6 inch seemed a good match. I filled my 30 qt bait cooler, That should be about 60 lbs of water? Right. No wimps in outriggers needed. Yet the end still acts the way a good bait rigger should. Pulling a dredge from 10 or even 14 ft from the boat helps get it in clean water.
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Originally Posted by J Lightning View Post
I use a strip teaser off the rear cleat and hand line in. Takes all of thirty seconds to pull in. Don't see the need to use a rod/ reel. Maybe in the future with a bigger boat.



strikepoint makes a great collapsable dredge with strips... their 12" and 18" are perfect for handlines with the fish-weights or a drail weight in front...
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Bly - this winter I am going to have you totally dial my 31 Fisharound in. We talked this spring but I just am at the end of my rope with upgrades at the moment.

I cannot wait to run your riggers next year bud.
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I think all the center console owners hung up on trying to pull dredges from the riggers like sports do a defeating the best advantage of a center console - being able to walk around and chase a fish forward and fight if off the bow.
having your dredges hanging from multiple lines on your riggers makes this very difficult
and outboard boats do not handle as precisely as twin inboards going in reverse. nor do many center consoles have the roomy rear cockpits as a sporty, most of the space you have is up from and you can chase a fish down much quicker going forward.
no offense to Bly, he does make a great product, but people should embrace the advantages of the design of their vessel.

pulling a dredge 3 ft off the side of your vessel should put it sufficiently clear enough water unless you have an unusually turbulent prop wash
the fish will have no problem seeing it.
I personally pull mine with 4 to 6 pound fish lead so at about 30 to 40 ft behind the transom it will be about 3 to 4 ft deep, still easy to see but below and off to the side of any prop wash by about 5 to 6 ft. at this depth it is also visible 360 degrees underwater around the vessel
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Originally Posted by La Vida CR View Post
I think all the center console owners hung up on trying to pull dredges from the riggers like sports do a defeating the best advantage of a center console - being able to walk around and chase a fish forward and fight if off the bow.
having your dredges hanging from multiple lines on your riggers makes this very difficult
and outboard boats do not handle as precisely as twin inboards going in reverse. nor do many center consoles have the roomy rear cockpits as a sporty, most of the space you have is up from and you can chase a fish down much quicker going forward.
no offense to Bly, he does make a great product, but people should embrace the advantages of the design of their vessel.

pulling a dredge 3 ft off the side of your vessel should put it sufficiently clear enough water unless you have an unusually turbulent prop wash
the fish will have no problem seeing it.
I personally pull mine with 4 to 6 pound fish lead so at about 30 to 40 ft behind the transom it will be about 3 to 4 ft deep, still easy to see but below and off to the side of any prop wash by about 5 to 6 ft. at this depth it is also visible 360 degrees underwater around the vessel
I myself am a reluctant Dredge fisherman. If I can I will be quite happy fishing with no dredge. One less thing to have to worry about. . My customers want it. So that presents a challenge. I have had many come out of big SF boats now buying 30 to 40 ft center consoles with multiple outboards and end up calling me. Most holders are not up to the task. That is a whole nother problem. Steps on these center consoles cause even more turbulent water then the OBs at trolling speed. They can not even see the whitey following the dredge unless its away from the boat. Using an A frame set up like Mark in the above picture has above allows the dredge to be brought into the boat rather then hang from the rigger. The dredge ends up being between the end of the dredge rod tip pointing out the side and the outrigger point. Maybe 14 ft w my dredge outrigger. That gets them in clean water of a stepped OB center console. But I do love your L&H. I remember when john first had the Idea and started cutting up a 31 bertram.

If you are the reciever of a retractable green stick in CR. Email me. I was wondering where it would end up when I dropped it off at Pipewelders in Ft Lauderdale a couple months ago, I only knew it was going on a L&H in CR? Did not even plan to sell it that day? I will mail some shirts to you. Jay. jsbligh@gmail.com

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