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Old 07-23-2014, 08:37 PM
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Can anyone show me how to tie a wire live bait rig for kings? I've tried searching here and google but can't find anywhere that shows lengths or types of hooks to use. Any help would be appreciated!
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Old 07-23-2014, 10:16 PM
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I like to use a piece of wire about 6-12" long with the smallest swivel possible in the 50-80LB range as well as a small/med sized Treble Hook. Here off Miami we use alot of small live baits such as Pilchards or small Pinfish. This rig works like a charm and allows great action from the live baits as the hooks arent too heavy or bulky. Just hook it through the nose and drift them at different depths. With bigger baits you will likely need a stinge rig but I'll let someone else chime in on that.

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Old 07-24-2014, 01:27 AM
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Turner, I can show you. Have some made up using AFW tyeable wire you can have.
Both live bait & dead bait rigs.
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Call me. I've tied over a 2500 or so rigs. There are a few big king secrets I can share too.




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Old 07-24-2014, 07:32 AM
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Hooks will vary depending on who you ask and the type of baits you will be using but the key to any wire leader is the quality of the haywire twist. Improperly wrapped and it will slip.
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Old 07-24-2014, 11:09 AM
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1. Single strand with haywire twists. I use about 18 inches from the swivel (35 lb spro) to the front hook. Front hook is a #6 4x strong treble. Some guys use a #4, I do sometimes for larger baits like blues. Some guys particularly up around Morehead use a single for the front hook, usually like a 1/0 or 2/0 short shank. Distance from front hook to stinger varies with size of the bait. I let the stinger dangle, some people hook it in the baits back. All connections made by haywire twists.

2. Same as above except multiple strand wire. Usually in the 50 lb range. Connections made by smelling hooks and figure 8 knot at swivel.

Dead bait
Replace front hook with a jighead. I like Hank Brown Hookup jigheads. All other options the same.

Skirts can be added in front of the lead hook, red hooks can be used, lots of options to customize to your tastes.
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Old 07-24-2014, 11:22 AM
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I use long pieces of wire, unlike the others... I use the #3 (30lb something) wire and from the front hook to the the loop is probably about 4 feet. Use haywire twists on all connections. I use #4 treble hooks all the time unless I am using big baits then I got to #2 trebles
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Old 07-24-2014, 01:16 PM
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Amazing how much personal preference there is with these things. I just started using the 7 strand, I think I love it. When in doubt, tackle down to smaller hooks & trebles. You can also buy rigs at the tackle shop as a guide
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I'm sold on solid wire with a haywire twist. I've lost to many big Kings fraying nylon coated 7 strand & eventually biting through it. Just caught a 27lb King that was hooked way back in it's throat with single 4x wire that didn't chew through so I'm sold on it. Now what to do with all the nylon coated multi-strand rigs I've made up.
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Originally Posted by psychocuda View Post
I'm sold on solid wire with a haywire twist. I've lost to many big Kings fraying nylon coated 7 strand & eventually biting through it. Just caught a 27lb King that was hooked way back in it's throat with single 4x wire that didn't chew through so I'm sold on it. Now what to do with all the nylon coated multi-strand rigs I've made up.
I have caught 70 lb wahoo, 100+lb tarpon, 200+lb tiger sharks on kingfish rigs..single wire (30 to 40 lb test) and a TLD 15 they will catch about anything
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I like to start with a 100lb swivel use about a 5 foot piece of 50 flouro albrighted to a 12" trace of #4 single strand haywired to a 5/0 owner or gama.. And I always bridal baits, they swim better, live longer, and you get full hook exposure for the most hookups possible.
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Originally Posted by Nomad 25 View Post
Hooks will vary depending on who you ask and the type of baits you will be using but the key to any wire leader is the quality of the haywire twist. Improperly wrapped and it will slip.

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I've dumped the haywire and just twist!

Like this. Except that loop is bigger than you want.
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Originally Posted by wamc0206 View Post
I've dumped the haywire and just twist!

Like this. Except that loop is bigger than you want.
Do you change rigs after every fish? That thing is like a noose..made to slip.
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Originally Posted by Liveactionfishing View Post
Do you change rigs after every fish? That thing is like a noose..made to slip.
... Barrel wraps have nothing to stop them from slipping unless they have the haywire below. It would be much more secure with 8 or 10 very tightly wrapped haywires.
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I use #7 single strand wire, a 7/0 live bait hook in the nose, and a 1/0 treble in the butt. Tired of messing with light stuff.
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Originally Posted by REDWEISER View Post
... Barrel wraps have nothing to stop them from slipping unless they have the haywire below. It would be much more secure with 8 or 10 very tightly wrapped haywires.
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Originally Posted by Liveactionfishing View Post
Do you change rigs after every fish? That thing is like a noose..made to slip.
Depends on if it's tournament day or not. If not and the rig is kinked it goes back in. If it's a tournament day yes every rig is changed everytime. We us 40lb leader and all holds up very well. Caught a 50lb hoo on one last year and caught this 44lb cobia on one a few weeks ago. Does it "slip" as you call it. Sometimes, not always but never has it affected performance.
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Originally Posted by DreamWeaver21 View Post
I use #7 single strand wire, a 7/0 live bait hook in the nose, and a 1/0 treble in the butt. Tired of messing with light stuff.
.... Way to go in the northern gulf for big kings, they don't seem to be wire or hook shy here. Commercial king boats are pulling 1000# parachute cord handlines and loading the boat as fast as they can pull'em over the transom.
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