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Old 07-21-2014, 05:22 PM
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The Penn Battle II won best saltwater reel at ICAST 2014. Here is a short video we made with Steve Carson at the Penn Booth.


Make Sure to Watch in HD!
Here is the link, http://youtu.be/WqPvpOgUhXI?list=UUt...6zfOhdAUAhidYA
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Old 07-22-2014, 12:09 PM
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Well it appears that they've attempted to fix some of the well documented issues with the first version such as frame corrosion, handles breaking, etc.

"Best of show" doesn't mean anything when you're in the field, time will tell if they hold up under actual fishing conditions as well as the competition. Penn hasn't exactly been a leader in saltwater spinning or even light tackle as of late, so they do have some work do to.
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Old 07-22-2014, 01:14 PM
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So the video just explained why my Penn Battle gen1 sucks. Thanks Penn.
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OK, I purchased the first gen Battle and within 6-8 months or so the dreaded corrosion began. I contacted Penn and sent the reel back and they sent back a brand new reel so I give them kudos for that from a service standpoint. So far, no issues with this reel since receiving it last fall.
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Glad I never bought one of the 1st gen models.
Looking into new spinning reels, so maybe I will give it a look.
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So the video just explained why my Penn Battle gen1 sucks. Thanks Penn.
I have about 5 of them (3x4000 and 2x5000). I really like them, but gee whiz.
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Old 07-22-2014, 05:51 PM
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How does this promo video differ from the 1st gen promo video Penn made when that new reel was "the best thing since sliced bread"? Seems like the same BS and BW.

So who wants to line up and give Penn their hard-earned money all over again?
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Old 07-24-2014, 02:18 PM
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Stoked!!! I'm so glad I waited on the battle 8000 I was about to get
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Old 07-24-2014, 04:13 PM
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I'll wait to see what Alan Hawk has to say about this reel.
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Old 07-24-2014, 04:56 PM
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While I'm not a Penn hater by any means I just don't see what the big deal is with this second generation. I'm willing to bet Alan Hawk will agree. The only upgrade that I see making any appreciable difference in performance is the keyed drag washer. When possible, that always makes for a better overall drag system.

The change from shielded to sealed bearings makes no difference to me. I've been through countless Battles over the last few years and have yet to see any serious bearing issues from the shielded bearings. In fact, I swear that the bearings that I came across were the sealed ones that they are now touting as an upgrade. I prefer the sealed type because they're sooo much easier to service and I remember opening my first Battle and saying "thank you". Either way, all bearings will eventually go to crap and I almost would rather have them completely open.

I'd love to hear what the new "corrosion resistance" means. It's no secret the major weak link in the Battle was the finish on it that loved to flake off as the body corroded under it. If they fixed that, then they could've left everything else alone and people would've been thrilled.

Line capacity rings are a marketing gimmick. What does that really tell you? Before capacity rings came into existence, how did we fish?! "crap! I can't tell if I have a full spool or if I'm almost out of line! If only I had some rings that would let me know if I'm about to get spooled!"

Other than that, it's basically the same ol' reel. The internals are still made out of the exact same materials and it still looks the same. I've always been a fan of the Battle as a good bang for the buck as long as the finish didn't corrode off. And I still think that. But in no way shape or form do I think the II is worthy of "best in show". Honestly, it says more about what the competition is (or isn't) doing if a reel only needs to key a washer and claim a bearing change in order to win this award.
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I was there and was one of the voters, but did not vote for the Battle2. It didn't have much competition this year BTW.
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LOL @ coores and the capacity rings hahaha
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The Plymouth Volare once won Motor Trend's Car of the Year Award.
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Old 07-25-2014, 05:10 AM
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Knock on wood - I haven't had any issues with 4 3000's and 2 5000's. I was on a charter last year in KW and bagged a 40lb mahi with a 4000 that I was told by the Captain to be stock. That said, I'm pretty religious about washing them down good after every use.

Now the Battle rods on the other hand.....complete crap. Ugly Sticks can be had at roughly the same price point and hold up way better in my experience.
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I have had and continue to have problems with penn reels. I complained a while back and penn did end up hooking me up but I had already switched out nearly a dozen spiners to shimano. I have a penn sargus that i bought 5 years ago. I have completely serviced it twice and replaced the drags with carbontex.

I have had zero issues with this reel It is used as a top water live bait and pitch rod and has taken dozens of fish up to 60lbs and countless bonita, spanish, and smaller kings

I have a battle 7000 that i bought 6 months ago and rides right next to the sargus. Last trip i was hard to reel. Took it on the next trip and was even harder to reel. Decided to pull the sideplate and it is junk. The gears are corroded. It was not greased very well ( Which is strange because penn does grease their reels) I sprayed a bunch of corrosion x in there trying to salvage the reel but it is shot..

This is my third one that is junk, a 4000 that ate itself on a spade and another 7000 that broke.

I just dont understand how you can buy the lower end model and have it perform great for half a decade but have the upgrade that is literally garbage.
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What's interesting too is that the internals of both the Sargus and the Battle are identical. Same gears, same shaft, same materials, even the same body. I have quite a few Sargus that I love. I've upgraded all of the drags to the HT100 and I've gone through everything inside. They've held up great for many years and have caught tons and tons of fish. I own one battle and have no issues with it but I've serviced many many Battles for other people and they look absolutely horrible. The insides, however, have always been solid.
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Originally Posted by Airbus A320 View Post
I have had and continue to have problems with penn reels. I complained a while back and penn did end up hooking me up but I had already switched out nearly a dozen spiners to shimano. etc., etc. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
I too used to be a Penn person. Knew all of the Henze's (owners of Penn), was on their pro staff, been to the factory in PA, fished on their company sportfisher, etc., etc. But then when they were first sold (in 2002 or 03) their quality started to go down, so lucky for me, I was able to switch over and be on Shimano's team, and today I have maybe two dozen Shimano reels (and 1 Diawa Tanacom ), and can say that I don't recall having a problem with any of them over the past 10-12 years.
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Nothing is perfect. In today's market, the Penn Battle is a "budget" reel at $99. IMO angler love to complain. Hey, nothing perfect. Anyone ever own a Ford Pinto or Maverick?

Shimano make great reels, but has had problems as well. Folks don't remember the botched release of the Sustain FE... Or the finish wearing off on the Stella FA and FB reels when several brands of sunblock touched the finish! How about their new and "improved" Stella SW. Yikes! I'm sure Shimano is working on that fix now and will quietly offer a "return for service" or something similar. The Stella FA reels with bad finishes were replaced.

To me, the Battle 2 seems to be a logical set of small improvements. I hope the reel works out. There certainly didn't seem to be many new releases this year -- maybe in 2015 or 2016.

I've heard for two years that Daiwa would announce two new mag sealed reels (Not the Isla), but I don't think it happened.

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Originally Posted by Prop Blast View Post
Nothing is perfect. In today's market, the Penn Battle is a "budget" reel at $99. IMO angler love to complain. Hey, nothing perfect. Anyone ever own a Ford Pinto or Maverick?

Shimano make great reels, but has had problems as well. Folks don't remember the botched release of the Sustain FE... Or the finish wearing off on the Stella FA and FB reels when several brands of sunblock touched the finish! How about their new and "improved" Stella SW. Yikes! I'm sure Shimano is working on that fix now and will quietly offer a "return for service" or something similar. The Stella FA reels with bad finishes were replaced.

To me, the Battle 2 seems to be a logical set of small improvements. I hope the reel works out. There certainly didn't seem to be many new releases this year -- maybe in 2015 or 2016.

I've heard for two years that Daiwa would announce two new mag sealed reels (Not the Isla), but I don't think it happened.

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good points. nothing is perfect and I surely don't expect a budget reel like the Battle to be perfect. That's why I'm still a fan of it in the "bang for the buck category". And yes, the improvements are a step in the right direction. I'll continue to recommend it to people who want a good reel for not much money. In fact, I have a good friend who came to me for advice a few years ago about wanting to get a full matching set of reels for his boat. We're talking 8-10 reels. I talked him into the Battle and they have slayed countless fish for him, but the finish issues reared their head and he is quite unsatisfied. Now he's prepared to replace every one of them with reels in the 200-400$ category. For that money, replace the parts that are corroded (body, spool, whatever, it's all cosmetic stuff) and continue fishing the crap outta the battles.

Regarding Daiwa, I do believe they recently released the Saltiga "Expedition" model. Mag sealed. Very nice reel. Not sure what the second one will be.
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . etc., Regarding Daiwa, I do believe they recently released the Saltiga "Expedition" model. Mag sealed. Very nice reel. Not sure what the second one will be.
Yea, they're a quality reel, but at $1000-1500 a pop, they are like Shimano's Stella in price and quality, and there's not a real big market for a reel in that price range.
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