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Old 07-20-2014, 06:10 PM
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We went out of Hatteras towards to rock pile today trying to find some grass lines but everything was real spread out, so we didn't get many bites. I have heard some about bailing and we tried it today but it did not work out. Any tips on how to do it? Should I have already caught a fish b4 I start or do i just need a large pach of weeds or other structure?
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Old 07-20-2014, 07:35 PM
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You need to find a school of bailers before you can bail them. When you hook one, look closely and see if there are followers. Keep one fish hooked until you get another one hooked. Always keep one hooked fish in the water to keep the school there.

Squid chunks work well once you find them.
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Old 07-20-2014, 08:25 PM
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What blue said, but also be sure to be ready.

Have 4-5 rods ready with bailing rigs. I use TLD 20's on trolling rods, a small snap swivel tied to the mainline, then a 4' piece of 40# flouro carbon. At on end is a small j hook at the other is a loop tied with a 1 oz lead weight over the loop. Be sure to have 30-40 of these tied up and ready. You'll need them cause getting the hooks out is a pain, its just easier to swap them out or grab another rod.

It can be crazy, we put 40+ bailers in the boat many a sitting. I like to have 2 -3 guys with rods and one guy dehooking and rerigging.

Always have lots of chunks ready as well.

Also have a buck tail on a spinning rod as once they turn off sometimes that turns them back on.

If you really get good at it you can take a piece of 150# tie a loop in it , crimp on a small j hook close the barb and hand line them. Talk about fun!!!
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Old 07-21-2014, 08:40 AM
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Like both these guys said, you gotta find them before you can start bailing them. Once you've hooked the first one, leave him in the water hooked up on your rod, more than likely his friends will follow. We've actually started using a jig rod once we get close to the pots and jigging for the bigger ones. Normally the bigger ones are down lower so we'll drop a jig around 60-80ft and start jigging it up. Normally it just pisses them off more than anything and a nice gaffer will hit it.
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Originally Posted by josephmast94 View Post
We went out of Hatteras towards to rock pile today trying to find some grass lines but everything was real spread out, so we didn't get many bites. I have heard some about bailing and we tried it today but it did not work out. Any tips on how to do it? Should I have already caught a fish b4 I start or do i just need a large pach of weeds or other structure?
I was out of OI Sunday and we couldn't find bailers. The Grass was spread out due to the Gulf current working against the N wind. When the wind gets right and the grass packs back up it will be a little easier.
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Old 07-21-2014, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by CoastalRunner View Post
What blue said, but also be sure to be ready.

Have 4-5 rods ready with bailing rigs. I use TLD 20's on trolling rods, a small snap swivel tied to the mainline, then a 4' piece of 40# flouro carbon. At on end is a small j hook at the other is a loop tied with a 1 oz lead weight over the loop. Be sure to have 30-40 of these tied up and ready. You'll need them cause getting the hooks out is a pain, its just easier to swap them out or grab another rod.

It can be crazy, we put 40+ bailers in the boat many a sitting. I like to have 2 -3 guys with rods and one guy dehooking and rerigging.

Always have lots of chunks ready as well.

Also have a buck tail on a spinning rod as once they turn off sometimes that turns them back on.

If you really get good at it you can take a piece of 150# tie a loop in it , crimp on a small j hook close the barb and hand line them. Talk about fun!!!

I used a small peice of steel leader on the hook to keep from chafing and having to change it long handle needle nose pliers. All good info.
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i've found that if one jumps and spits the hook, the bite turns off. if that happens, motor to a different school and then come back.

also, drop a butterfly jig or diamond jig down deep and see what's below. sometimes a wahoo or a big mahi.
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Originally Posted by UNCFISH View Post
i've found that if one jumps and spits the hook, the bite turns off. if that happens, motor to a different school and then come back.

also, drop a butterfly jig or diamond jig down deep and see what's below. sometimes a wahoo or a big mahi.
I have a question on this what weight jig are you using? I have read that elsewhere.
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I always have a empty Milk jug with 20 feet of 100 # mono and a big j hook tied to the handle. When we catch the first one we unhook it from the rod and immediately hook it to the milk jug and throw the fish in the water. Now we just follow the milk jug as the fish will follow the school. I learned that trick 20 years ago and has never let me down.
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Old 07-21-2014, 02:23 PM
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I like tdk's idea.
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Old 07-21-2014, 02:29 PM
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I also like the idea!!!!!
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Old 07-21-2014, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by tdk72 View Post
I always have a empty Milk jug with 20 feet of 100 # mono and a big j hook tied to the handle. When we catch the first one we unhook it from the rod and immediately hook it to the milk jug and throw the fish in the water. Now we just follow the milk jug as the fish will follow the school. I learned that trick 20 years ago and has never let me down.

Great for Cobia too .....Just follow the jug.
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What I do to help me "find them" as everyone is putting it. I get on a grassline and switch the flat lines and the riggers closest to the grassline to 6" squid tubes with just a strip of squid or bonito on it and set the drags loose. When two go off then I get some anglers on the rods and clear everything off and back in so that I don't drag the fish off the school. Then get to bailing and always keep one or two in the water. I've never needed 30 rigs as CoastalRunner was talking about but to each their own. Just a dehooker and over 60lb test with a big-J. Flip 'em and rip 'em. Depending on the size of the school throw some extra bits but definitely don't over feed. I always put the anglers in a rotation line if that makes sense so they know who they follow and don't go ripping fish up. Search around on the site and you'll see lots more tricks and advice. Ive never tried the milk jug idea. I'll slow it down for just one if I see more fish with it. Sometimes there isn't a school so you just get it back in gear and keep moving.
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Old 07-21-2014, 05:49 PM
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I wish I had a picture of the last time I was on a boat bailing them. I was the dehooker and hook baiter and was covered in blood at the end of the flurry and we had 40 or 50 in the boat. Lots of fun.
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for weight of jig, it all depends on what the current is like. whatever lets you go straight down. 16 oz diamond jig is a good place to start.
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I love the milk jug idea, I'm looking forward to trying that!
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Old 07-28-2014, 07:43 PM
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on sunday i found a school of dolphin about 4 miles west of fowey rocks at 1000ft. threw a 6 oz butterfly jig over and immediately landed the bull. first time i tried this, and it worked! lost it after a couple of minutes, bent the hook sideways. didn't get him again. oh well, still good times.
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Old 07-29-2014, 01:45 PM
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When you see the school immediately throw some squid or chunk bait in the water, Then throw anything you have. if is a jig reel it fast, if it's cut bait let it drift away. once you hook one keep him on unless it's the only rod u have set up. then pull it in, throw more squid, un hook the fish, re bait and throw it back out. keep doing it till the school is gone or turned off. We were bottom fishing with double hook rigs this weekend when a school came up on us. We cut the weights off and were drifting the rigs back. Kind of dangerous with double hooks but it worked!
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when I get on a school of them I always have 2 red tail hawks rigged on spinners just for this situation. Pitch them out and run them as fast as you can. Need at least 3/4 oz or else it will break the surface but they cannot resist that jig running by at warp speed. And you don't need to worry about rebaiting just flip him in the fishbox, pop the jig out and pluck another one. I have not been on a school that wouldnt eat this jig.
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