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Old 07-19-2014, 01:40 PM
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Hello, i'm new here and a TOTAL newbie to tuna fishing.

I`m looking at purchasing a set for stand up tuna fishing in the Adriatic sea.
No monsters, but perhaps 60-100 lb size fish.

I have decided to buy a 6` Penn International V stand up Pac-Bay 30-80 lb rod. I dont want the it to be too stiff.

What Penn reel should I pair it with? I`m choosing between the Penn Internationals.
V, VS, VSX. Suitable size and model?

And should I go for mono or braid?

Please help me to choose a suitable set.
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Old 07-19-2014, 02:11 PM
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I'll chime in to bump it up.

Get a 16 VSX and put a heavier braid. If you're are much more likely to catch heavier fish, often, than a 30 size.

Might want a slightly smaller rod though. I had to choose my words carefully.

Braid to Mono topshot.
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Old 07-19-2014, 02:17 PM
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Thanks for the reply Esuomm1
By smaller rod, do You mean shorter as in 5,6` or softer?

What lb class would be the right choice?
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Old 07-19-2014, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Splituna View Post
Thanks for the reply Esuomm1
By smaller rod, do You mean shorter as in 5,6` or softer?

What lb class would be the right choice?
I was thinking 5' 6".

Many more will chime in eventually though. See what the "masses" tell you.

But no one will (I can't imagine anyone) will say you need more than a 30.

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How would a 5,6 ` jigging rod with aprx 8-14 oz lure weight do? ( Penn TRQ nano jigging )
I have such a rod but with aprx 3.5-8 oz and it feels pretty stiff. It feels like a 30 lb Penn halibut rod I have. Or am I missing something on the way here?
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Are you baiting, jigging or trolling?
You will get lots of different answers.
My go to baiting and jigging outfit for tuna under 100 lbs is a Seeker 6460 Black Steel rod coupled with an Accurate 600 dx loaded with 80 lb braid. Tuna are sharp eyed so I use a 12 foot flouro carbon leader. I use 80 lb if I can get away with it if not I go to 60.
For baiting larger tuna, I use a 5' 6" Seeker Black Steel with a roller tip top and first guide. I use a Penn International 30 s (2 speed regular spool) with a 200 yard top shot of Jinkai 80 lb over 400 yards of 80 lb spectra. Again I use flouro carbon leaders.
I have never caught a tuna over 30 lbs trolling jigs. The big guys are smart.
For big tuna, you need a reel with lugs so you can use a harness.
YFT are battlers rather than runners so you don't need 1000 yards of line.
For really big fish, I like monofilament for safety reasons.
Since you are holding the rod for a long time waiting for the fish to bite, I like the lightest outfit possible.
Unless you are going to cast, you do not need a rod over 6 feet.
A good standup rod has enough flex that you never lose touch with the fish when pumping the rod.

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Old 07-19-2014, 02:57 PM
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I think it will be mostly baiting.
I will not cast, so a 5,6 ` will do, but the Penn Vs doesnt come in that length. Thats why I asked about the TRQ jigging rod.

A light rig i also my goal.
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Old 07-19-2014, 03:52 PM
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6 feet is pretty long for a standup rod devoted solely to tuna. Mine are custom made at 5'2 and 5'4 by John at J&M Tackle in Orange Beach, pictures to follow. Bent butt for tuna. Better lifting power and leverage. Make sure you get a quality belt and learn PROPER standup form-I like the black magic harness and belt or the OTR harness paired with the smitty belt. Leave the16s on the shelf. Hardly any drag on those. 30s are a bit better, but I still prefer a 50 so I can pour it on them after the initial run and not pussyfoot around and go get a few more.
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Originally Posted by Captain Woody Woods View Post
6 feet is pretty long for a standup rod devoted solely to tuna. Mine are custom made at 5'2 and 5'4 by John at J&M Tackle in Orange Beach, pictures to follow. Bent butt for tuna. Better lifting power and leverage. Make sure you get a quality belt and learn PROPER standup form-I like the black magic harness and belt or the OTR harness paired with the smitty belt. Leave the16s on the shelf. Hardly any drag on those. 30s are a bit better, but I still prefer a 50 so I can pour it on them after the initial run and not pussyfoot around and go get a few more.
A 50, on a 100 lb Tuna? Not for me, not for sport.

Might as well catch them with a steel cable. A 30 can get more than enough drag for any fish and you can fit more than enough line, of even a high breaking strength.

Agree to disagree that 50 is total overkill for 100 lb'ers.

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Thanks for the replys.

On the boat/s I will be fishing from, there will be heavier gear to use. But i prefer to use my own gear if possible. And I want that gear to be light. So a 16 sounds good, especially since it has almost the same drag as the 30.

Now I have second thoughts on the rod. So 6` is a tad too long?
The Tuna Stick comes in 5,6 30/80 lb. Perhaps I should go with that one instead?
I just like the simplicity of the regular guides on the V Stand Up.

How about the 5,6` Penn TRQ nanoshield jigging 8-14 oz lure weight I mentioned earlier?
Stiffer than a 30 lb halibut rod.
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i have a shimano tekota with levelwind... i run 500m of 70-80 pound braid and absolutely love it... the drag is the smoothest ive ever experienced on any reel.

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Old 07-20-2014, 05:21 AM
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I am using no roller guide Connley custom made rods 5'6" 30-60. Lb made with super seeker blanks, reels okuma mak II 20 spooled with 650 yds. Of 100 lb JB HC. Connected with 100 yds. 50 lb. hi catch wind-on top shots from basil. I have caught a lot of tuna, mainly albacore in Turkish meditarenean sea up to 100 lbs. very light and good setup for trolling, chunking. Okuma's are really good and smooth drags.
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I prefer the Tiagra 16 with braid/mono topshot for standup tuna fishing. For the 16 has plenty of drag and is so much easier on the angler, lighter, smaller etc...

The Tiagra 16 are 38 oz with the 30WLRS being 55 oz with the 50 WLRS being 86 oz. Big difference between the 16 and 50. The 16 are drag optimized for a strike position of 16 lbs with the 50 WLRS optimized for 40 lbs. Seeing that we set our 50WLRS chair rods at 15 lbs the 16s are plenty for me. (drags will go higher, that's just the setting they were "built for")

I do understand the point of being able to "clamp down" on a tuna to put an end to the death circles most tuna do, but I weight that against the comfort and ease of use of the 16s. I prefer the 16s.

Either way you will be good.

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Old 07-20-2014, 05:31 PM
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Look into the Talica 20. Same size as the 16, but with up to 45 pounds of drag. 32 ounce reel. Fill it with 575 yards of 80# braid, and do 3 times the work than the 16. 16 is old school, talica 20 is its replacement. More feet per crank as well. Far superior.

Tiagra 16 weighs in at 37.9 ounces. 36 inches of line per crank in high.
Talica 20 weighs in at 32 ounces. 46 inches of line per crank in high.

If I want the "light tackle" and "sport" of it, I'll go trout fish. When I'm tuna fishing, I am trying to get enough in the boat to feed a family, or either get them to the boat as quick as possible so I can get a tag in them and release them quick and no worse for the wear. The more time you spend "fighting" the fish on "light drag," the greater your chances of breaking the line or pulling hooks, and less time you have to go catch more in the same day. Same reason we go to 99 pounds of drag on the bluefin up in Nova Scotia. Ironically with the quicker fight, the fish are in far superior shape for release. I highly, highly recommend you checking out the talica 20 or 25 at your local tackle shop so you can see how light this reel is.
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I have two Talicas and they are awesome reels, no doubt. The smaller Talicas do not come stock with lugs to allow the attaching of a harness, which to me is a must. I have been told you can buy an insert that adds lugs, but I have not seen them.

Also for me depending on the situation speed is not everything. The "power" of the low speed setting on the Tiagra's is awesome. (Talica's come in two speed as well as single speed) Don't get me wrong the Talicas are amazingly powerful reels I just prefer the Tiagras for stand tuna. Maybe I am hanging on to the past, maybe not.

Either way you will have one of the best reels out there if you choose either.

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I have two Talicas and they are awesome reels, no doubt. The smaller Talicas do not come stock with lugs to allow the attaching of a harness, which to me is a must.

Robert
Correct. I love the 16 but it just isn't any fun without the lugs. One of my recent customers showed up with 4 brand new talica 16s and I congratulated him on buying some great reels, who really didn't know what he had but was just talked into them by his local tackle shop. After our trip, he traded them all in on the 20s just for the convenience of the lugs. No doubt at a major disadvantage without!

Some numbers for comparison:

Tiagra 16 (in low gear): 1.7:1 16 inches per crank
Talica 20 (in low gear): 2.3:1. 20 inches per crank
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Unless you plan to fish with all Spectra, I would go with at least a roller first guide and roller tip top.
In a fight lasting an hour or more the line will go through the guides hundreds of times. Under heavy drag, the tiniest imperfection in the rod guide will cause the line to fray.
If you plan to fish all Spectra, I would consider the Avet H/X 2. It has 2 speeds, reel lugs and 25 pounds of drag. I think the reel is too small for a mono topshot. If you think you are a hard body and can handle it, an Avet Raptor is the same reel but has 40 lbs of drag.
I have a Braid medium weight harness. I get back spasms where the belt pulls into my back after a half an hour with more than 20 lbs of drag.
I like a margin of safety so I fish with 15 lbs of drag. It is a real bummer to work all day hooking a personal best fish and have it break off. S***t happens, a tiny knick in the line, a fish hooked inside of those razor teeth or any number of things. When the big tuna are running there are lots of tails of woe back at the dock. I don't want to be the one telling them.
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I might have underestimated the size of the tuna in the area i'm about to fish.
Today I got a mail from a friend who cought a 165 lb tuna there the other day. And I've been told that size is pretty common there.

He uses an 80 lb International and an 80-130 lb rod.

Should I step up from the planned 30-80 lb rod? And should I go for a larger reel than the 20-30 size?

I'm even more confused now... :-)
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^^^^^ He has no fun....an 80 with a 30-80????

That would be like burning down your home to kill the ant that went under the refrigerator.
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Originally Posted by Captain Woody Woods View Post
Look into the Talica 20. Same size as the 16, but with up to 45 pounds of drag. 32 ounce reel. Fill it with 575 yards of 80# braid, and do 3 times the work than the 16. 16 is old school, talica 20 is its replacement. More feet per crank as well. Far superior.

Tiagra 16 weighs in at 37.9 ounces. 36 inches of line per crank in high.
Talica 20 weighs in at 32 ounces. 46 inches of line per crank in high.

If I want the "light tackle" and "sport" of it, I'll go trout fish. When I'm tuna fishing, I am trying to get enough in the boat to feed a family, or either get them to the boat as quick as possible so I can get a tag in them and release them quick and no worse for the wear. The more time you spend "fighting" the fish on "light drag," the greater your chances of breaking the line or pulling hooks, and less time you have to go catch more in the same day. Same reason we go to 99 pounds of drag on the bluefin up in Nova Scotia. Ironically with the quicker fight, the fish are in far superior shape for release. I highly, highly recommend you checking out the talica 20 or 25 at your local tackle shop so you can see how light this reel is.
Agree with Capt Woody. The Talica 20's are ultra sweet for YFT. Light, fast, strong drag, and hold all of the 80lb braid you could ever need. We have fished them exclusively this summer and couldnt be happier. Good luck
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