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Old 07-15-2014, 09:35 AM
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Can someone give me some details on the overnight Blue marlin trips? Are they being run out of Los Suenos and Quepos? Which boats offer these trips? How far are they going to get to the grounds they are fishing?

Just have been seeing insane numbers from the trips and now I'm curious about the details. Any help?
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Old 07-15-2014, 11:08 AM
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Yes sir, PM me as i have a friend that specializes in just that. It's a 36 Cabo and they run out to the FAD's which are about 80-100 miles from Quepos and the numbers have been crazy releasing 5-25 blue Marlin a day. I think they do a 2 and three day package.
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Curious about this myself and would appreciate you PMing me that same info. A private sportfish, Parranda released 26 blue marlin yesterday in 8 hours of fishing down there.
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Curious about this myself and would appreciate you PMing me that same info. A private sportfish, Parranda released 26 blue marlin yesterday in 8 hours of fishing down there.
Yeah, the FAD's are one of those places where everything you put in the water gets hit with a Blue. The amount of fish you release depends more on how fast you can go in reverse and how long the leaders are. Really amazing fishing. The only problem is it's out there quite a bit and there isn't much on the coast near there, so it's a more than one day trip. I have a really good friend that just setup a boat for FAD fishing, he has made a couple of trips already and has been doing really well. I just called him and he's going to send me over his pricing and pictures of his 36 Cabo and I'll post them up here when i get them.
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Oh wow. Just got a call back from Dale. As far as I know, he is the only one out of Quepos that does the FAD fishing. He has a 35 foot Cabo express. He does the FAD trips as a 2.5 day deal. He leaves out at 5PM the day before the first day fishing (so it's like a 2..5 day trip?) and they get to the FAD's by first light. They do the full day of fishing catching about as many Marlin as you can reel in, and then spend the night on the FAD's. The next day they spend the whole day catching as many Marlin as they can, and then at dark go towards the house. They have a big BBQ pit, and do steaks and pastas and good food

Here's a blue that we caught out in front of Quepos this week, there are lots of these beasts out there at the FAD's.


As far as pricing, all inclusive runs 9K for 4 people, and 10K for 6 people. If anybody is interested, shoot me a PM or an email at FishCRJohn@gmail.com. It's kind of pricey, but you would pretty much ruin Blue Marlin fishing the rest of your life, as this is the best place in the world right now to catch Blues...He is sending me over a picture of the boat and I'll stick it up here. Easiest way to book him is to write me and I'll call him as he lives off the grid.
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That is a trip I will do, soon!

I don't know if you know Jon Duffie, but we were driving together from OCMD to Bayliss where both of our boats were and he told me how incredible it is. The Duffies talked John Bayliss into bringing his boat down to Costa Rica, and it's in the Duffie's slip. They bought a second boat, a 50' Scarbourough and are having it refit just for the purpose, though they are thinking that if John Bayliss leaves his boat in Costa Rica they may take it Cabo San Lucas instead.

I thought the DR was fantastic but Jon told me it didn't hold a candle to the FADs off of Costa Rica.

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Originally Posted by JPK View Post
I don't know if you know Jon Duffie, but we were driving together from OCMD to Bayliss where both of our boats were and he told me how incredible it is. The Duffies talked John Bayliss into bringing his boat down to Costa Rica, and it's in the Duffie's slip. They bought a second boat, a 50' Scarbourough and are having it refit just for the purpose, though they are thinking that if John Bayliss leaves his boat in Costa Rica they may take it Cabo San Lucas instead.
Cool, is that boat in Quepos or Los Suenos? I don't really know the bigger boat crowd, I know most everybody here with a boat under 46 feet though.
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John Bayliss (of Bayliss Boatworks) rebuilt his former charter boat, the Tarheel. It is 40 something, with a single C-18 and Twin Disc Quick Shift gear (doesn't need trolling valve.) The Duffie's slip is in Los Suenos.

Bayliss is building a new Parranda now, btw. The new boat will be a 64'er. It's still upside down on the jig.

The 50' Ricky Scarborough that the Duffies bought was the Baby Grand out of Palm Beach. Bayliss Boatworks is rebuilding her, and they are all but starting from scratch.

Interestingly, the Duffie's current boat is a Spencer 62, the Billfisher, but I suspect a Bayliss Billfisher in the future.

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John Bayliss (of Bayliss Boatworks) rebuilt his former charter boat, the Tarheel. It is 40 something, with a single C-18 and Twin Disc Quick Shift gear (doesn't need trolling valve.) The Duffie's slip is in Los Suenos.

Bayliss is building a new Parranda now, btw. The new boat will be a 64'er. It's still upside down on the jig.

The 50' Ricky Scarborough that the Duffies bought was the Baby Grand out of Palm Beach. Bayliss Boatworks is rebuilding her, and they are all but starting from scratch.

Interestingly, the Duffie's current boat is a Spencer 62, the Billfisher, but I suspect a Bayliss Billfisher in the future.

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Wow, those are awesome build pictures on the website, I'm probably going to do my first Jig build (don't know if I'm going cold molded or Core Cell) this year, I will probably spend hours going through his build photos, very neat boats... I'd love to fish one of those out at the FAD's!!!
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There is a cool video taken from a drone of the Tarheel sailfishing out of Los Suenos on Bayliss's Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/baylissboatworks

Jon Duffie (the Captain - his dad is also Jon Duffie) is at the helm.

Jonny Duffie is a hell of a good guy and so is his dad (and brother; his mother is a sweet heart too.) We had new rudders installed and we were missing about 3/4 knot at cruise and burning about 4gals/hr more and the handling just wasn't right and Jonny spent a half a day yesterday with me and my captain working on the rudders til we got them set right and the toe right. We got our speed and fuel burn numbers back (based on a relatively short trial run) and the boat was handling perfectly when he was done. It was Jon in the lazerrtte turning wrenches too, with me handing them down and my captain turning the wheel back and forth. He is a wealth of knowledge and a hands on guy.The 3/4kts and 4gals/hr add up when you're running anywhere from 40 to 80nmi every fishing day.

I have to encourage you to go cold molded!!!

Also, fwiw, many builders have switched to Coosa (sp?) for spray rails and guards, denser than wood and won't dent as easily. There is a Cold Molded Construction Fight Club on going thread on here under Boating and Outdoor Photos that has an absolute ton of info in it on cold molded boat building, with a couple of builders participating. Here's a link: http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-...ight-club.html

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There is a cool video taken from a drone of the Tarheel sailfishing out of Los Suenos on Bayliss's Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/baylissboatworks

Jon Duffie (the Captain - his dad is also Jon Duffie) is at the helm.

Jonny Duffie is a hell of a good guy and so is his dad (and brother; his mother is a sweet heart too.) We had new rudders installed and we were missing about 3/4 knot at cruise and burning about 4gals/hr more and the handling just wasn't right and Jonny spent a half a day yesterday with me and my captain working on the rudders til we got them set right and the toe right. We got our speed and fuel burn numbers back (based on a relatively short trial run) and the boat was handling perfectly when he was done. It was Jon in the lazerrtte turning wrenches too, with me handing them down and my captain turning the wheel back and forth. He is a wealth of knowledge and a hands on guy.The 3/4kts and 4gals/hr add up when you're running anywhere from 40 to 80nmi every fishing day.

I have to encourage you to go cold molded!!!

Also, fwiw, many builders have switched to Coosa (sp?) for spray rails and guards, denser than wood and won't dent as easily. There is a Cold Molded Construction Fight Club on going thread on here under Boating and Outdoor Photos that has an absolute ton of info in it on cold molded boat building, with a couple of builders participating. Here's a link: http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-...ight-club.html

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I have a cold molded, and I'm working on restoring my second one right now, but the foam is intriguing to me because it seems like less maintenance... Have you heard anything bad about foam, or do you just really like the cold molded (I love mine so much I'm getting a second one)? And I have been reading through the other thread but haven't had anything to contribute yet!
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I know you are a fan of cold molded boats and have two, I trying to prevent you from going back to the dark side of "plastic fantastics!" Kind of like an intervention!

On a more serious note, I have heard of water migration in cored Vikings damaged in Hurricane Sandy. Recall there was so much damage in that storm that repair occurred over some time.

From what I have read, foam coring isn't what makes a cored boat strong enough for service, it is the separation of the glass which gives the hull strength and limits flex. On a cold molded boat, the core gives a lot of strength, and wood has an essentially unlimited flexural life span since no one has yet found it's limit despite trials of millions and millions of cycles.

I view the potential nicks and gouges which might be picked up in service as a threat, especially in debris laden waters and if someone else is running the boat for you. It can happen in a cold molded boat as well, but a good yard accustomed to working on or, better yet, building cold molded boats can fix a water intrusion problem pretty easily, the earlier caught the easier too.

We (meaning my captain) found a small area of water soaked wood just forward of the turn down on my boat when the boat was in the yard this past winter. The previous owner had apparently smacked a piling and caused some damage under the SS rub rail. The damage wasn't apparent to the eye, but he noticed some of the SS rub rail screws backed out and investigated and found the soft wood in the toe rail and in the laminate below it, near and above the aft end of the vent. About a square foot or so of soft wood. It had to have been there for some time, at least several years. Bayliss fixed the area by replacing the soft wood and patched the paint and though I know exactly where the work was done I cannot see it. Alexseal paint, got to love the ability to easily patch the paint with no trace!

And when a cold molded boat is repaired, or built, the epoxy to wood bond when properly done is stronger than the wood so joints or repair "seams" aren't an issue, which is not always the case with glass joints or seams.

Also, I have to admit that I am biased!

Perhaps the ideal build is the combination of wood hull and top side core and high tech bulkheads and other structure, like Bills on the other thread builds the Lightnings.

My Knowles, also a cold molded boat, had a layer of Kevlar over the bottom, and that was tough as nails. It took a good half dozen hole saws to cut a new transducer hole through the Kevlar. That would prevent anything from penetrating the glass skin short of a full grounding on rocks or reef.

Fwiw, the three or four core samples from cutting new transducer holes in my boats have been dry as a bone and neither was new or nearly new when I bought them.

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Thanks for the info.

What are the FADs? Do you know if this a year around fishery? With which months being the peak season? Hope to be able to put this trip together in the next year so just trying to collect as much info as I can before booking it. Thanks again.
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FAD = Fish Aggregating Device

Essentially a FAD is something anchored on the bottom with some sort of structure along it's anchor line or at the surface or both. There are drifting FADs too but these are used by commercial tuna fleets and outside the scope of this thread. Here's a diagram of one type: http://www.hawaii.edu/HIMB/FADS/

In the Dominican Republic the FADs are place by artisanal commercial fishermen and are typically made up of Styrofoam and palm fronds and about anything else they can imagine using. They are permanent but because they are cobbled together rough weather can tear them apart. The structure they create draws bait, which draws bigger predators which draws bigger predators.... In the DR typical fish to find include blackfin tuna, mahi, wahoo, blue and white marlin.

The lobster gear in the canyons up here in the Mid Atlantic represents a type of FAD and we frequently find bait, triple tail, trigger fish, mahi, yellowfin, longfin albacore, white and blue marlin on or around the poly balls and high flyers. The longer the gear has been out the better the chances it holds fish. (You can gauge how long it's been out by the marine growth on the ball and line.)

The Hawaiian FADs are permanent.

I under stand the Costa Rican FADs are large buoys that are permanently moored. I believe I've seen a photo of one and, iirc, it looked sort of like one of the US weather buoys.

I have heard the season has peaks - don't know when - but the fishing can be year round. IIRC, I was told the best time is just before rainy season, which I believe starts in earnest in June. But Captain John would know a heck of a lot more than I do on the seasons.

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Thanks for the info.

What are the FADs? Do you know if this a year around fishery? With which months being the peak season? Hope to be able to put this trip together in the next year so just trying to collect as much info as I can before booking it. Thanks again.
The fads here are bouys that they put down there and then blow up. They put like plastic bags and other stuff that look like streamers and that is where all the little fish hide out, and then the big fish are on the outside. Dale said last time they were out, there was a full two acres of bait around the FAD's, hence the Marlin.

The problem with FAD's in this country is that the commercial boats will go and wipe them out, that is why these particular FAD's they built where they did, they are so far out of the way that there just isn't anybody over there fishing. And when they do start seeing longliners show up, the guy that put the FAD's out goes down and removes all the stuff that attracts the fish and moves it to a different anchor point, I hear they have 4-5 different anchors about 10 miles apart. Most of this is hearsay, but I'm talking to the guys that fish it... Too bad Mike with the EPIC isn't on here, he runs a big private Betram when he isn't chartering and they do trips out there....
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I know you are a fan of cold molded boats and have two, I trying to prevent you from going back to the dark side of "plastic fantastics!" Kind of like an intervention!

On a more serious note, I have heard of water migration in cored Vikings damaged in Hurricane Sandy. Recall there was so much damage in that storm that repair occurred over some time.

From what I have read, foam coring isn't what makes a cored boat strong enough for service, it is the separation of the glass which gives the hull strength and limits flex. On a cold molded boat, the core gives a lot of strength, and wood has an essentially unlimited flexural life span since no one has yet found it's limit despite trials of millions and millions of cycles.

I view the potential nicks and gouges which might be picked up in service as a threat, especially in debris laden waters and if someone else is running the boat for you. It can happen in a cold molded boat as well, but a good yard accustomed to working on or, better yet, building cold molded boats can fix a water intrusion problem pretty easily, the earlier caught the easier too.

We (meaning my captain) found a small area of water soaked wood just forward of the turn down on my boat when the boat was in the yard this past winter. The previous owner had apparently smacked a piling and caused some damage under the SS rub rail. The damage wasn't apparent to the eye, but he noticed some of the SS rub rail screws backed out and investigated and found the soft wood in the toe rail and in the laminate below it, near and above the aft end of the vent. About a square foot or so of soft wood. It had to have been there for some time, at least several years. Bayliss fixed the area by replacing the soft wood and patched the paint and though I know exactly where the work was done I cannot see it. Alexseal paint, got to love the ability to easily patch the paint with no trace!

And when a cold molded boat is repaired, or built, the epoxy to wood bond when properly done is stronger than the wood so joints or repair "seams" aren't an issue, which is not always the case with glass joints or seams.

Also, I have to admit that I am biased!

Perhaps the ideal build is the combination of wood hull and top side core and high tech bulkheads and other structure, like Bills on the other thread builds the Lightnings.

My Knowles, also a cold molded boat, had a layer of Kevlar over the bottom, and that was tough as nails. It took a good half dozen hole saws to cut a new transducer hole through the Kevlar. That would prevent anything from penetrating the glass skin short of a full grounding on rocks or reef.

Fwiw, the three or four core samples from cutting new transducer holes in my boats have been dry as a bone and neither was new or nearly new when I bought them.

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now that we have hijacked the thread...check out the patch I did on mine last year



I am leaning towards a wood boat now I think, going to buy the Jig from EnviBoats possibly. They show people putting on plywood, i thought I understood that planking was better, thoughts? We might ought to start our own thread...
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Al of the current cold mold builders using wood today that I am familiar with use plywood. Some believe that fir plywood is best for the bottom and okume for the sides of the hull.

My Knowles and my Gary Davis were both build with fir bottoms.

I am not as big of a fan of plank on frame construction. Rybovich long ago used three layers of 2" or so mahogany strip planks laid at, iirc, 60* angles for their bottoms, but switched to fir later.

That Cold Molded thread has a ton of good info.

My computer is fighting me right now and I need to errand. I'll restart the damn thing and rejoin the conversation later.

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here are actually several FAD's spead out in various locations off central and southern CR pacific side. probably at least 10 or 12 so far and more in the works.

the most commonly fished ones, the most publicly know fads are located on seamounds off the Osa peninsula,they are about 45 miles from the closest point of land.
the closest is about 85 miles from quepos and 105 from Los Suenos
there are 2 FADs about a mile apart at this spot
there is another "public" FAD, about 30 miles further offshore from that on another sea mound
and more secret FADs scattered around past that.
in the past few years, there have been many days that boats have released 20+ marlin in a a day between these 2 fad groups
there have been slow days too, I have heard of a few days where no marlin were caught, for some reason or another, like green water pushing in.
also if you start getting lots of sailfish bites it is best to move and try another FAD.

but it is a close as possible to a sure thing for catching multiple marlin.

there are also another group or newer FAD's put out about a year ago by Los Suenos , appox 90 miles NW of these FAD's, but still about 130 miles from Los Suenos and a lilltle further from quepos.
other private groups have FAD's also scattered around that area and further out in the 160-200 mile range, as there are a chain of sea mounds which reaches out and past the Cocos island
the Chouest / ACY supposively is working with Carol Libby Crew putting out several private Secret FADs

this area has been red hot lately and is where the Carol Libby, spent much of its time fishing to recently break the record of most blue marlin released in a year with 400 something blue marlin released in just 61 days of fishing so far. and then went out a few days later and released 137 in 5 days, with the best day of 37 blues in one day.


the sea mounds rise up several thousand feet from 8000-10000 ft surrounding bottom
the 2 "public"fads mark bottom around 1000 ft.

they are natural fish holding structure as the drastic profile change produces current rips and upwelllings, the FAD's make it easy concentrating bait (and bigger gamefish) in smaller areas around the sea mound so you don't even need to hunt around, you just troll back and forth , circles, figure 8's, mown the lawn around the Fads
some boats will be live baiting pretty much on top of them but trolling all teasers bait and switch style is the most exciting way

FAD fishing will ruin you or make you a permanent addict, being very realistically able to see 10-20 blue marlin in a fairly "average" day.
there are many days boats see 50+ marlin in a day.
most are 150-350lb with larger fish always a possibility.
it is the perfect scenario for great stand up light tackle fishing, even fly fishing

the fly fishing legend Nick Smith's 40 game fisherman Old Reliable had a day last year they raised 111 blues, had 54 bites and released 17 on fly , in one day.



most of the FADs' here are submerged bouy chains which do not rise to the surface, in attempt to keep them hidden.
a professional fad will last longer than a cheap one. I spoke to one boat from golifto who had put out a few FADs of his own, made with 800lbs of railroad tracks welded together as anchor and poly rope and bouys who said he got a few months out of them before they disappeared from either from currents, growth, commercial fishing gear
the more professional fads are built with better materials seem to last a few years





the FAD's do not seem to be very seasonal, I have heard phenomenal reports from almost every month of the year. but weather can be hit or miss in green season,

I could probably do the 2.5 day trips on a 57' for pretty close to $10k

I will try to finish this later

Tarheel is a beautiful boat and fish raiser. it is a 47' ricky scarborough hull number 3, built around 1980 (35years old) I believe
is pristine condition, so classical it looks futuristic.

i will try to post some pics of it and some FAD action
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Captain Mike,

Thanks for the info.

John Bayliss rebuilt the Tarheel at the Bayliss yard winter before last through the spring, my boat was there December into January and then briefly in June on the way back north, and we got to see the progression. She is in pristine condition, simply and nicely outfitted but not plush.

Jonny Duffie told me she fishes great.

Captain John,

To continue the hijack, here is a thread on the Boating and Outdoor Photos board here on Bills construction of a 37' Lightning. This one is set up for outboards but he explains the differences: http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-...k-control.html

Great photos in there.

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Mike,

I am working on putting this trip together for early part of next year and will be in touch. Thanks for the info and taking the time to explain. If you think of anything else in the meantime please feel free to post it or email me. I know that's your busy time of year and I'll try and get back in touch with you sooner rather than later.


I know that FADs attract all types of HMS and was wondering if other pelagic's are caught off of these in CR? Also, after reading more about FADs how do you'll feel they affect your fishing around Los Suenos and Quepos? Do you feel they take away from more fish being closer to the grounds you'll normally fish or a positive thing?
I know John in the other thread about FADs feels they are positive and are drawing fish closer but could you not also say that the laws in place making it illegal to harvest billfish are just as important to the increased numbers you'll have seen in the last 5+ years? Just curious as to who you'll feel about FADs?
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