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Old 07-13-2014, 05:39 AM
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I've fished hard all my life. Flyfish, cane poles, bait casters, zebco 33's, spinners, inshore, set hooks, you name it, but no near shore or off shore. I need help with tackle selection.

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Boat: 21 Steiger, Willy 17.

Location: Captiva pass, SWFL

Desires: heck, I don't know. Catch some fish. Seriously, I'm game to learn how to troll, bottom fish, live bait fish. With my boat and lack of offshore experience I'm not too keen on running too far out, yet. I would like to start out in the passes and work my way offshore from there.

Idiot index: High. I realize it would be smarter to charter several times. I probably will charter some, but I've been a self taught angler all my life. This is what I do to escape.

Current tackle: heaviest spinners, 4000 Sustains on Loomis blue water 12-25's with 20 lb braid. I own one live bait rod which I like. Thunnus 12000 on a Star Paraflex.

Budget: my wife is rolling her eyes as she looks at my inshore tackle. I typically buy what I consider to be medium to low high end tackle. I am a little partial to Shimano reels. From what I've read, I like the Talica reels and Connelly rods for example.

Objective: purchase set ups for trolling, bottom fishing and live bait fishing. I know nothing about jigging.

Questions:

Realistic number of matching set ups for each application? I was thinking 3. Two out and one in reserve. I generally fish with one other person.

Advice on bottom rigs? Meaning makers and size of your favorite reel, rod and braid.

Trolling rigs? Same. Two speed Reels? All mono or braid with a mono top shot?

Live bait rigs? Same. Continue with the Thunnus or go with conventional?

Any advice you guys are willing to offer is much appreciated.
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Originally Posted by northcap View Post
I've fished hard all my life. Flyfish, cane poles, bait casters, zebco 33's, spinners, inshore, set hooks, you name it, but no near shore or off shore. I need help with tackle selection.

Facts:

Boat: 21 Steiger, Willy 17.

Location: Captiva pass, SWFL

Desires: heck, I don't know. Catch some fish. Seriously, I'm game to learn how to troll, bottom fish, live bait fish. With my boat and lack of offshore experience I'm not too keen on running too far out, yet. I would like to start out in the passes and work my way offshore from there.

Idiot index: High. I realize it would be smarter to charter several times. I probably will charter some, but I've been a self taught angler all my life. This is what I do to escape.

Current tackle: heaviest spinners, 4000 Sustains on Loomis blue water 12-25's with 20 lb braid. I own one live bait rod which I like. Thunnus 12000 on a Star Paraflex.

Budget: my wife is rolling her eyes as she looks at my inshore tackle. I typically buy what I consider to be medium to low high end tackle. I am a little partial to Shimano reels. From what I've read, I like the Talica reels and Connelly rods for example.

Objective: purchase set ups for trolling, bottom fishing and live bait fishing. I know nothing about jigging.

Questions:

Realistic number of matching set ups for each application? I was thinking 3. Two out and one in reserve. I generally fish with one other person.

Advice on bottom rigs? Meaning makers and size of your favorite reel, rod and braid.

Trolling rigs? Same. Two speed Reels? All mono or braid with a mono top shot?

Live bait rigs? Same. Continue with the Thunnus or go with conventional?

Any advice you guys are willing to offer is much appreciated.
#1...NEVER take Wife with you shopping for Tackle.
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Old 07-13-2014, 06:14 AM
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#1...NEVER take Wife with you shopping for Tackle.
No kidding. First wife was a real ball buster about my stuff -- but not hers. The love of my life and current wife is merely amused. I go through the same hoops to buy my stuff, because that is what I am used to, and she really doesn't care what I spend.
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Old 07-14-2014, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by northcap View Post
I've fished hard all my life. Flyfish, cane poles, bait casters, zebco 33's, spinners, inshore, set hooks, you name it, but no near shore or off shore. I need


Questions:

Realistic number of matching set ups for each application? I was thinking 3. Two out and one in reserve. I generally fish with one other person.
I LIKE FOUR OF EACH, BUT THATS JUST ME. ESPECIALLY BOTTOM FISHING ITS NICE TO HAVE A FEW EXTRAS OUT.

Advice on bottom rigs? Meaning makers and size of your favorite reel, rod and braid.
BRAID ON A TREVALA ROD WITH TORIUM REEL, OR TALICA IF YOURE LOOKING TO SPEND. OR AVET. BRAID, PERSONAL PREFERENCE ON BRAND.

Trolling rigs? Same. Two speed Reels? All mono or braid with a mono top shot?
I WOULDNT BOTHER TROLLING WITH LESS THAN FOUR RODS, EVER. TLD30 TWO SPEEDS HAVE CAUGHT A LOT OF BIG FISH. MONO, PREFERENCE ON BRAND.

Live bait rigs? Same. Continue with the Thunnus or go with conventional?
THE THUNNUS IS A NICE REEL. GET A SECOND AND CALL IT GOOD. I ACTUALLY PREFER THE OLDER STYLE BAITRUNNERS BUT THATS JUST ME.

Any advice you guys are willing to offer is much appreciated.
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Old 07-14-2014, 02:18 PM
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#1...NEVER take Wife with you shopping for Tackle.
Nah! I took the wife to Bass Pro and she spent WAY more on clothes than I did on tackle. Now, we go there often, and it doesn't matter what I buy!
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Old 07-14-2014, 02:36 PM
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I've fished hard all my life. Flyfish, cane poles, bait casters, zebco 33's, spinners, inshore, set hooks, you name it, but no near shore or off shore. I need help with tackle selection.

Facts:

Boat: 21 Steiger, Willy 17.

Location: Captiva pass, SWFL

Desires: heck, I don't know. Catch some fish. Seriously, I'm game to learn how to troll, bottom fish, live bait fish. With my boat and lack of offshore experience I'm not too keen on running too far out, yet. I would like to start out in the passes and work my way offshore from there.

Idiot index: High. I realize it would be smarter to charter several times. I probably will charter some, but I've been a self taught angler all my life. This is what I do to escape.

Current tackle: heaviest spinners, 4000 Sustains on Loomis blue water 12-25's with 20 lb braid. I own one live bait rod which I like. Thunnus 12000 on a Star Paraflex.

Budget: my wife is rolling her eyes as she looks at my inshore tackle. I typically buy what I consider to be medium to low high end tackle. I am a little partial to Shimano reels. From what I've read, I like the Talica reels and Connelly rods for example.

Objective: purchase set ups for trolling, bottom fishing and live bait fishing. I know nothing about jigging.

Questions:

Realistic number of matching set ups for each application? I was thinking 3. Two out and one in reserve. I generally fish with one other person.

Advice on bottom rigs? Meaning makers and size of your favorite reel, rod and braid.

Trolling rigs? Same. Two speed Reels? All mono or braid with a mono top shot?

Live bait rigs? Same. Continue with the Thunnus or go with conventional?

Any advice you guys are willing to offer is much appreciated.

Northcap, I fish the same general area in the late Fall & Winter. I'm on Pine Island and usually head out Redfish Pass. I like to troll Redfish and Captiva Passes, usually use a 7' pole with a bit of backbone, never know what's gonna hit. Reel is usually a 5000 class junk reel, I may need to upgrade. Lots of Spanish and blues to be caught, but you never know what will hit. Lost lots of tackle and never knew what it was. I limit my run outside the passes to about 5 miles, I've got a small 17 footer. I bottom fish with the same rig for grunts, porgies and the occasional red grouper. I am also looking to upgrade (undecided), as I lost a big grouper last Spring (not enough drag pressure). I'm starting to think MH jigging rod and an 8000 class spinner or a Shimano TLD. Good luck to you!
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Old 07-14-2014, 02:55 PM
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Northcap, I fish the same general area in the late Fall & Winter. I'm on Pine Island and usually head out Redfish Pass. I like to troll Redfish and Captiva Passes, usually use a 7' pole with a bit of backbone, never know what's gonna hit. Reel is usually a 5000 class junk reel, I may need to upgrade. Lots of Spanish and blues to be caught, but you never know what will hit. Lost lots of tackle and never knew what it was. I limit my run outside the passes to about 5 miles, I've got a small 17 footer. I bottom fish with the same rig for grunts, porgies and the occasional red grouper. I am also looking to upgrade (undecided), as I lost a big grouper last Spring (not enough drag pressure). I'm starting to think MH jigging rod and an 8000 class spinner or a Shimano TLD. Good luck to you!
I've dinked around in my pass and caught a few grouper by chance. You are right, there are some crazy big fish in the passes in the neighborhood. Off of my dock or the neighbor's we've caught bulls to 8' and a Goliath I estimated at 250 lbs plus. When you are down look me up -- in the pass, dock to the south of the big house with the bronze roof.
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Old 07-14-2014, 03:39 PM
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Where to start....First, I'd suggest going to a couple of Saltwater fishing seminars or something similar. They often cover a wide degree of fishing and you'll get an opportunity to meet some fisherman in your area.

Secondly, its hard to learn to be good at a lot of things at one time. I'd suggest picking out what you'd like to learn about first and study up. Inshore fishing is going to be cheaper to get started. However, a man could spend a lifetime just learning where fish hold and bite on the right tides during different times of the year.

Offshore fishing in many ways is easier than being great at inshore fishing. Offshore is all about finding fish. You can have the best equipment, bait, rigs and drag empty water for days without a bite. When you do get into fish, it can be a exhilarating experience with all hands on deck. This is where an experience crew pays off.

Pick one topic and we could talk about it for a couple of hundred pages.
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Old 07-20-2014, 06:24 PM
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For basic info I would check out chevy florida fishing report, thursday nights on sun sports. They will walk you through region by region on whats biting and what tactics to use. there is a live call in from captains statewide and it will give you somewhere to start from. Now executing the tactics and making the fish bite, well thats up to you.
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The essentials for getting started in offshore fishing are.....

1) Take out a second mortgage

2) Sell a vital organ on the black market

3) Trade in your firstborn

4) Seek a good therapist now......once you catch your first big tuna you are inevitably ruined!
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Old 07-20-2014, 06:48 PM
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I know a guy in the Cape Coral area that does fishing charters. Really good at what he does whether you want inshore nearshore or offshore he can do it all. You can certainly learn a lot about the area from him too. If you want to pm me I can give you a link to his site and you can get in touch with him
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Old 07-21-2014, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Hollywood9s View Post
The essentials for getting started in offshore fishing are.....

1) Take out a second mortgage

2) Sell a vital organ on the black market

3) Trade in your firstborn

4) Seek a good therapist now......once you catch your first big tuna you are inevitably ruined!
Truth!

I feel like I'm going down the rabbit hole.

My best friend, a 30 year plus offshore guy who sold his boat 10 years ago, starts talking and I see dollars flying out the door.

So, the plan so far,

I bought a set of Connelly 30-60 conventional rods I really like. I also got a sweet deal on Talicas to match. 50 lb braid. Other than my heavy Thunnus and Star Paraflex rod, which I will match to have a pair, the 30-60 rods will be my heavy rods.

4 Connelly 15-30 spinners with cabos or 4 Connelly conventional rods with the small Release reels, 20 lb braid. I can cast either equally well, but guests may be more used to a spinner. I'm thinking of having Connley build these on Calstar blanks.

4 Connelly 20-50 class conventional rods, Talica reels, 30 lb braid, mono top shot for trolling the passes.

I've got any number of lighter rods I can carry when needed.

Well that's what I've come up with so far. I started with the 30-60 class first because I have a few smaller rods that will work for a while. Plus I got good deals on what I wanted.

I plan on buying the equipment in stages. When I become comfortable with a technique I will progress to another skill set.

I don't know enough about the need for roller rods in my area, or roller rods for that matter, to be able to assess whether I should look at them.

As for learning the skills. I'm biting the bullet and going on some local charters.
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Truth!

I feel like I'm going down the rabbit hole.

YOU ARE, MY FRIEND, YOU ARE.
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I plan on buying the equipment in stages. When I become comfortable with a technique I will progress to another skill

GOOD LUCK. THATS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL SPRING. UNFORTUNATELY FOE THE WALLET, IT HAS NOT WORKED OUT THAT WAY
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Northcap,

I just picked up this thread cause I was looking to find some info on fishing the general area you were referencing. I've rented a place at Cape Coral for 3 months next winter, but all my experience has been on Lakes Erie and Ontario where I fished all my life. I'm 67, and just bought a Pursuit 3000 Express, and because the waters so skinny around the Sound, I think I'm headed offshore, which I'm ok with.

I just wanted to get a feel for what your experience was this last year with tackle selection, etc.

Pardon the awkwardness of the post, but I'm a newbie- this is only my second one.
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Old 04-24-2015, 06:30 PM
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This is going to be a long reply

You aren't going to get much trolling around Captiva, at least not in a 21ft boat, most of the blue water fish are out in the middle grounds.

I've fished the area for years, and you are smack dab in middle of some of my favorite grounds. I go every summer to fish charlotte harbor (out of Boca Grande). I've even caught fish around your dock during the summer. Snook will cruise the beach around the pass. The two docks to your north are slightly better due to the flow of the current but the beach side is usually best.

If you want to catch fish, fish the moon. 3 days before, day of, and 3 days after the full and new moons for inshore fish. The tides play a huge role in that area, look at your tide charts and you will see when to fish. Tarpon fishing is about to kick off, hit the pass. Break away jigs (literally every tackle store will have them) or live bait (threaders caught around bouys, any big structure or in pods off the beach). You'll need a conventional rod in the pass rated for 50lb line. Use 80-100lb floro leader with a circle hook. Use your bottom machine to find fish. You'll know they are there when your screen is filled from bottom to almost top. The 1000 boats are also a good indication (Captiva pass also holds tarpon, watch for them rolling. Less pressure).

For bottom fishing, look up the artificial reefs (they are all listed online by county) and start there. Each time you go out, just slowly drive around a little looking for hard bottom or ledges.

If you can fish the flats, all the grass flats in 3-6ft of water will hold trout during the summer and fall. Fairly easy to find and catch during the good tides. Theres a grass flat just south of you, fish the grass on the west side of that giant sand bar, specially the south end. I've caught everything from trout to small grouper and sharks there in 4ft of water.

As far as tackle, I use 8ft St. Croix Tidemasters ($140) with Shimano Spheros 4000 reels with 30lb Power Pro and 4' 30lb floro leader with a 2/0 lightweight offset circle hook using the whitebait (greenbacks) I castnet over the flats using catfood as chum (4/5ft of water where you see diving birds). This is my goto setup for anything inshore except I have to step it up for tarpon. Using a 20-40lb spinning rod with a 6000 size reel with 65lb braid and a 80lb leader or, like I said above, 50lb conventional rod with 40lb line, 80-100lb leader.

Offshore, same rod as my tarpon rod, but with a 40lb-60lb leader for grouper, or go with a 20-30lb rod with 30lb-40lb leader for mangrove snapper. I prefer to use pinfish (chummed up and netted), threaders, or any kind of live bait I can get. 6oz weight. I tie my leader directly to my mainline. I run the weight up 4" from the knot, then wrap the leader through the lead 3 times locking it in place, with a 5' leader. In the summer we are typically between 65-80ft of water to catch grouper. I like Star conventional 40-50lb rod, put a Shimono reel on it and you are golden.

About to purchase a Star Rod for those pesky goliath groupers too. rated to 200lb braid. They can be found on almost every wreck. They are a pain, but will hit anything big, so great when nothing else is biting.

This should get you started in the right direction.

Oh, Kingfish should be moving in during May. Look around the passes (I like Boca) for them to show up. Spanish Mackeral will start showing up too. They can be caught around the bait pods, or chummed out outside or around the pass.
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From deep in the rabbit hole I want to thank all the THTrs for the advice. Actually I curse you guys for getting me started.

Things I learned in the last year:

Buddies lie when they say "I don't get sea sick."

Around Captiva pass, current and moon phase are all important. One day last week, with the right phase and tide, I'm jumping tarpon. Two days later and nothing.

I had no idea that tides affect offshore fishing. Pretty basic and stupid on my part, but a lesson learned.

Bait, catching bait, keeping bait alive and preserving bait are pretty darn essential for successful fishing when you live on an island and the nearest tackle shop is an hour away.

Grouper fishing is a blast. Too bad the State and Feds can't seem to find a compromise balance on red snapper fishing.

Having a number is great. Learning how to set up on the number is an essential skill.

I ended up with a set of 65# class conventional reels on 7 foot Connely rods for my all purpose bottom fishing rigs. I also troll with that set of rods. I use Loomis 12-25 rods with Sustain 4000's rigged with 20# braid and star rods with Sustain 3000's with 12# for finess fishing. I've decided to fill the gap with grafighter blanks rigged with 8000 series reels.

Switching gears on my fishing has rejuvenated my fishing mojo.

Currently I suffer from 10 footitis. I'm good in my boat out to 20 miles or so, but in bigger seas I sure would like a 31 or so. Anybody want to buy a really nice Willy Roberts 17?

Again thanks for all the advice. It's been a blast.

I'm always looking for fishing partners, so if you are in the area shoot me a pm.
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Hey Northcap, been fishing around here awhile and i still learn so much from a charter, hit up one of the ozzies if you can get them, Ozzy Fisher or Ozzy Lessinger both top knotch actually most the guys up that way are really good, very competitive way to make aliving so you need to be good. and i just relized this is from 2 years ago, oh well. hope you get it.
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the west coast in that area is not really know for offshore trolling. try the keys
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No kidding. First wife was a real ball buster about my stuff -- but not hers. The love of my life and current wife is merely amused. I go through the same hoops to buy my stuff, because that is what I am used to, and she really doesn't care what I spend.
You know SOP, pics of wife, well in this case how about your address and pics of you and the girlfriend.
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Im in the same boat as you and have been reading a lot and talked to a few friends and some captains and i decided to go with the Penn Senator 113 for bottom fishing matched with 60# mono. As far as spinning reels i went with the Penn Spinfisher 5500 matched with 30# braid which i will use for trolling and rigging up multiple hooks for vermillion snapper.
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