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Old 07-12-2014, 06:42 PM
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Default Trouble with Albright knot slipping.

Hello all. I am trying to join 60 # flourocarbon to 65 # super braid for a 10' topshot to reduce tangles on my spinning rods.

I am definitely doing the Albright knot correctly but I think the thier is too much differential between the diameters. When I test the knot it pulls through.

I did these on my penn 4/0 outfits with no trouble (65 super braid to 80 dacron) but now I'm second guessing myself.

Should I be using another knot?

Thanks for any help you can provide
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Old 07-12-2014, 07:12 PM
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just to clarify you are wrapping the smaller braid around the larger flouro? how many wraps?
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Old 07-12-2014, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by fijon View Post
just to clarify you are wrapping the smaller braid around the larger flouro? how many wraps?
I tried both ways. It seemed to only work with smaller braid for the wraps. I did about 6-8 wraps. Is that enough?

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Old 07-12-2014, 07:48 PM
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Braid on fluoro can easily be tied with 20+ wraps, and should be IMO. It definitely didn't slip with that many anyway.
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Old 07-12-2014, 07:58 PM
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Assuming you've tied the knot correctly, and I'm sure you have try this lil trick ... Slide your nails on the braid repeatedly before you tie the knot. It takes off the wax coating on braid and prevents slippage.

Also, make sure your knot it tightened very well. These are the only two reasons for an Albright / Alberto knot to slip. I lost hundreds of dollars on lures and many fish before I figured this out ...
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Old 07-12-2014, 08:36 PM
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IMO you didn't make enough wraps, I use an Improved Albright, google it or check out this link.
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Old 07-12-2014, 08:39 PM
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I switched from the uni-uni last year to the Albright as shown in this video.

http://youtu.be/k58ARA7K8_4

Now, as I understand it there are a few critical things to this knot.

#1 the line heavier line must be bent in a 180 before you start.

#2 you must perform number of wraps away from the 180 bend in the heavier knot, before reversing direction and adding a nother number of wrap back towards the 180. Personally I do 7 wraps in the first direction and 4 back in reverse, but there is no scientific reason for that.

#3 the tag end of the smaller line should pass through the loop in the heavier line in the same angle as it originally entered.

I have tied this know in mono as small as 25 up to 65# with braid ranging from 20-80# It is IMO the easiest to tie and for me personally the easiest to get right knot I have found.

I know there are better knots, but this is easy and good enough for me. I have tried the improved version, but found it unnecessary.
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Originally Posted by liberty22 View Post
I tried both ways. It seemed to only work with smaller braid for the wraps. I did about 6-8 wraps. Is that enough?

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As I understand it and tie my albrights, the smaller braid wraps the larger line. I've read and wrap 18 or so. I'm actually not sure if I'm tying the Albright or improved Albright but I pass the tag line out through the loop the same direction it went in. I always lube knots with a lil spit before tightening.


this shows starting the wraps away from and looping back towards the loop, I've been wrapping away and then putting the tag back through the loop but generally do smaller lines. one tip is to bend the flouro at the apex of the loop and give it a pinch. this makes it easier to wrap.
http://www.animatedknots.com/albrigh...matedknots.com
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I agree that you need more wraps. ...

To me though, a Red Phillips knot is about the fastest and easiest connection for that application. I will use an Albright for connecting mono to hard wire, but the Red Phillips is hard to beat for smaller braid to larger mono.
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Aside from more wraps I put a Bimini in the braid and Albright with the double line
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Originally Posted by itzsyd View Post
I agree that you need more wraps. ...

To me though, a Red Phillips knot is about the fastest and easiest connection for that application. I will use an Albright for connecting mono to hard wire, but the Red Phillips is hard to beat for smaller braid to larger mono.
I have never had a Red Phillips knot fail. It is simple, fast, and the smallest knot there is.



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I double my main line braid with a Snyder hitch, gives me a 6"-8" double line. I then wrap the mono around the braid. I aim for 10 wraps up, 6 down and come out the opposite side of the loop I started in. The wraps somewhat balance out for 8 up and 8 down. The crossover at the end is what "locks" everything-for me anyways. Trim the mono tag end at 1/8". I also do NOT wet the line when I cinch it down, the little bit of friction is what makes it "balance out", and I only pull it tight when everything is where I want it. Just pull easy and steady and it works every time.

It sounds a little complicated, but in reality it takes about 10 seconds to tie.

I use power pro for the main lines and jinkia and seaguar floro for leader material. From 6 pound braid and 14 floro to 40/40, 40/60, 40/100 to 130/100... It always works for me.
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Thinks for the comments.

If I need 20+ wraps the knot must be pretty large.

I like that red Phillips knot.

If I did the Albright with 6-8 wraps on 80 Dacron to 65 super braid do I need to redo it?

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Originally Posted by Snapper Head View Post
I have never had a Red Phillips knot fail. It is simple, fast, and the smallest knot there is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAbXaGYaaIo


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How much is Red paying you to push his knot?
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How short do you guys trim the mono/fluoro? I see 1/8 inch. I have problems with that little stub catching on guides, and occasionally braid gets caught on it when bottom fishing. I tried super glue to try to keep it together, but it wears out.
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MrMamiller On the Albright I have a small cleat on the boat I wrap the braid around and pull the snot out of it to sinch it up. then trim the mono as close as I can with toenail type clippers and trim the braid pretty close but slightly longer, maybe 1/16

The mono is always the risky part right. I mean even if the braid was 1/4 it isn't going to cause a problem going through the eyes.

my knots come out being 3/16 or so long so I feel there is little chance of the mono/wire sliping through there.
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Originally Posted by liberty22 View Post
Thinks for the comments.

If I need 20+ wraps the knot must be pretty large.

I like that red Phillips knot.

If I did the Albright with 6-8 wraps on 80 Dacron to 65 super braid do I need to redo it?

Thanks again
Liberty,

I tie the modified Albright as the video shows it, except the number of wraps, as follows:

Make your loop in your Fluoro, in my case usually 80#, and lay it out flat with by left hand, between index finger and thumb.

I then pass my braid, anywhere from 50# to 80#, up through the loop I've made in the fluoro, from the bottom up.

Then I make my first loop around the fluoro away from the mainline, wrapping down the leader line. I hold the braid with the fingers of my left hand after my first wrap, while I pull that first wrap back down fairly close to the bend in the fluoro, leaveing plenty of room to pass the braid tag back through.

I then finish my wraps down the leader line, making a total of 8-10 turns, then I make 3-4 turns back up the line toward the open loop, over the top of my first wraps, and then pass the tag down through the loop, top to bottom, alongside the mainline.

At this point I wet the wraps and line really well and start tightening the knot slowly, working the wraps down toward the loop. I use my finger nails to to help the wraps stack down neatly as needed intermittently. I've found it usually helps, after the wraps have begun to stack down, to go ahead and squeeze the loop down tight on itself, so that it closes down nice and neat. Finish working the wraps down tight and neat.

I then finish the knot off by tieing a surgeons knot with the tag of the braid and cinching it back down over the end of the loop in the fluoro. Trim the braid tag off close. Then trim the fluoro tag off neat.

Some say leave that 1/8" tag on the fluoro, but I don't. I leave maybe 1/16 at most. But I trim it back close so that it doesn't hang on the guides.

I've had great success with this knot to this point. I've used it with 50-80# braid, tying to fluoro anywhere from 60-150#. I've also tested this knot several times on a couple different scales. Mostly I've used my Penn SSV10500 reel with the drag locked down. I've pulled in excess of 40# of drag on it on multiple occasions, repeatedly on the same knot at times, to prove it to myself. I have faith in it

I've tied the Red Phillipps knot a few times and honestly cannot become comfortable with it. It is more cumbersome to me to tie, especially on the boat. It works well if it is cinched exactly right. And I feel it needs 1/8" tag left on the fluoro to allow the slightest amount of slip as it cinches on itself.

My process above may sound time consuming, but I can tie it, estimating, in maybe 10 seconds if the seas aren't too bad. Practice makes it easier and faster. The more you do it, the faster you get, and the more tricks you learn to make it better. The key is to get those wraps worked down nice, tight and neat.

Good luck and I hope that helps. I fought it for a little while, but I finally got it the way I like it.

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Here's another good vid, I don't use the glue but it shows that you can to improve the knot..
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Originally Posted by BOOMER View Post
How much is Red paying you to push his knot?
Not enough.


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I have grown to prefer the Bristol knot to the Albright. I have never had one slip but i have had Albrights and Unis slip.
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