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Old 07-08-2014, 10:00 PM
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Is it me or does braided line seem to tangle up with the leader at the worst time!

I'm an admittedly novice fisherman, but the braid is giving me fits when I bottom fish. Seems to tangle every 3rd drop and with my aging eyesight its hard to see the correct rotation to untangle it. Ends up costing 5 min here and there.

3-6oz egg sinker, 3-6ft leader 40-80lb mono, all have tangled. My poles with mono have tangled, but not nearly as much.

Any help is welcome! I'm probably better off just switching mono, but I heard some positive things about the braid and wanted to have all the help I could get(or thought so)!
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Old 07-09-2014, 03:44 AM
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I'm having the same issue. I was told to try running a topshot just to the reel. Albright knot then add snap swivel on the mono or flouro.
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Old 07-09-2014, 04:01 AM
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If your running an egg sinker on the braid its guaranteed to tangle.
Braid is a lot finer than mono & will wrap around an egg sinker. If you need to use an egg sinker, try lowering it slowly so there is no slack in the line.
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Old 07-09-2014, 05:16 AM
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If you are using braid to bottom fish, try a chicken rig. I don't have tangle issues with that set up. A fish finder rig or knocker rig calls for all mono for me.
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Old 07-09-2014, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DoubleG View Post
If you need to use an egg sinker, try lowering it slowly so there is no slack in the line.
This. You need to control the speed of the drop so the sinker doesn't outrun everything else by too much. That will guarantee a tangle.
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Old 07-09-2014, 05:37 AM
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Depending on what your fishing for I would agree topshot with mono. If you are fishing for something toothy I would use a topshot of sevalon or whatever you want to call the braided wire with light coating.

We do a lot of trolling for King mackerel and tend to run more wire since they have teeth. I really don't like it for two reasons. When a fish gets close to the boat (especially if he is a little green) I like to put a hand on the leader. With braid/wire I worry about getting a nasty cut. Its really hard to grab braid without wrapping your hand.

So I realize I could wear a glove, but the way things work out you never have it on when you need it. If you were using lets say 50 or 65# mono topshot 20' or so it is plenty to maneuver the fish to the boat.

I worry about a fish rolling and spitting the hook at the boat. A heavy rod holding the weight of a fish has a lot of spring in it. The gaffman ends up in the dangerzone as the angler manuvers the fish too him. I don't want to see anyone with a russellure suck in their face,throat,eye.

For my money, as said previously, I'd add 20' of 65# mono (or whatever weight you are happy with, I have used 25,40,and 65# depending on the application)

x2 for the improved Albright. quick and strong. works with wire,mono and braid.
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Old 07-09-2014, 05:44 AM
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This should solve your problem. Run your braid straight to a three way swivel. Use about 6" of mono and run to your weight. (Make a loop which allows you to take the weight off when you are done fishing) and then run mono to your hook however long you need it. Hope this helps.
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Old 07-09-2014, 11:33 AM
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The 3 way swivel works, but I still always run a short top shot when bottom fishing with braid. It just makes life easier.

I absolutely love bottom fishing with braid. You feel every little tap, less stretch to pull that fish away from rocking you, and allows for smaller sinkers because of thin diameter.

Tie on a 15-20 foot topshot, lower the rig slowly down to the bottom, and make sure your bait isnt spinning on the descent. Your tangles should be much less frequent.
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Old 07-10-2014, 07:43 AM
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What am I missing here? I bottom fish all the time w/ braid an have no troubles. Braid to ball bearing swivel ($$) to 6' or so of flouro to egg sinker & hook.
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Old 07-10-2014, 07:51 AM
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nebassman I'm guessing it's just something you don't experience. Good for you if it's not a problem for you.
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I go braid, tied to 80-100lb mono leader with a uni-uni knot, with a dab of super glue for insurance. Then, I tie an egg sinker to the end of the mono and run a few hooks on loops farther up the mono. Never had a problem with tangle or failure with that rig.
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Old 07-10-2014, 08:14 AM
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The problem is actually easy to solve once you understand what's happening at the end of your line. If the water clarity is good, you can see this for yourself.

When you use a mono leader connected to the main line with a barrel swivel, an egg sinker will slide up the braid when you drop your bait under low current conditions. Since the mono leader and bait have more water resistance than the braid, the sinker will form a U in the braid as it falls and will let your leader wrap around the main line. You can fix this a number of ways:

1. Drop the bait very slowly with your thumb on the spool (nobody wants to do this).
2. Peg the sinker close to the swivel so that it can't slide. But this can affect what the fish feels when it picks up your bait.
3. Use a short (3' is fine) heavy mono leader top shot connected to the main line with a knot too large to let the sinker pass.

Some folks use a second barrel swivel on the short top shot to keep the sinker from moving up to the main line, but this won't let you reel up the top shot when you're landing a fish.

It's good to use actual leader material rather than mono line. The stiffer top shot won't allow the leader to wrap around. Any length of top shot will work as long as it is stiff enough. I use 60 or 80 lb test.
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Old 07-10-2014, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by NEBassMan View Post
What am I missing here? I bottom fish all the time w/ braid an have no troubles. Braid to ball bearing swivel ($$) to 6' or so of flouro to egg sinker & hook.
You are doing the egg sinker below the braid and on the flouro

Most of us use the egg sinker above the braid. And I have experienced the twisting that the others are talking about.

Some VERY good tips by DocStressor and some of the others I will be trying. Thanks
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Originally Posted by DocStressor View Post
The problem is actually easy to solve once you understand what's happening at the end of your line. If the water clarity is good, you can see this for yourself.

When you use a mono leader connected to the main line with a barrel swivel, an egg sinker will slide up the braid when you drop your bait under low current conditions. Since the mono leader and bait have more water resistance than the braid, the sinker will form a U in the braid as it falls and will let your leader wrap around the main line. You can fix this a number of ways:

1. Drop the bait very slowly with your thumb on the spool (nobody wants to do this).
2. Peg the sinker close to the swivel so that it can't slide. But this can affect what the fish feels when it picks up your bait.
3. Use a short (3' is fine) heavy mono leader top shot connected to the main line with a knot too large to let the sinker pass.

Some folks use a second barrel swivel on the short top shot to keep the sinker from moving up to the main line, but this won't let you reel up the top shot when you're landing a fish.

It's good to use actual leader material rather than mono line. The stiffer top shot won't allow the leader to wrap around. Any length of top shot will work as long as it is stiff enough. I use 60 or 80 lb test.
This. PLUS, make sure you trim the tag ends on your knots as close as possible.
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Old 07-10-2014, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by sharkfighter View Post
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Most of us use the egg sinker above the braid. And I have experienced the twisting that the others are talking about.
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Understand that it is better to have the bait be as unrestricted as possible thus keeping the sinker away from the hook is ideal. But doesn't the sinker sliding on the braid tend to fray it?
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Originally Posted by NEBassMan View Post
Understand that it is better to have the bait be as unrestricted as possible thus keeping the sinker away from the hook is ideal. But doesn't the sinker sliding on the braid tend to fray it?
Nope.
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Old 07-10-2014, 11:50 AM
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this topic does beg me to ask why don't more people use a three way swivel with the weight off the bottom ring?

Seems like it would solve the problem of long unruly leader and it should pretty much eliminate twist. I mean a 2 way swivel doesn't have a lot of motivation not to twist. the line doesn't provide much resistance.

on a three way the bait is not going to throw that big egg sinker over the swivel, and the swivel isn't going to be doing cartwheels over the bait.
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There are regional differences between using a 3-way vs a fish finder sliding sinker rig that have to do with fish behavior. For Florida reef fishing, the fish finder is preferred. That's because snapper and grouper like to grab a bait and run. If they feel unnatural resistance, they will often drop the bait. So bowing to them a little when they hit before tightening up gives them a better chance to really take the bait into their mouths. I used 3-way rigs for them when I first moved to Florida from the North East. I caught fish but soon learned that the fish finder rig that everybody else was using worked better.
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Originally Posted by NEBassMan View Post
What am I missing here? I bottom fish all the time w/ braid an have no troubles. Braid to ball bearing swivel ($$) to 6' or so of flouro to egg sinker & hook.
I think his weight is above the swivel...on the braid...
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Originally Posted by gumpire View Post
I think his weight is above the swivel...on the braid...
Being slow, it took me a while to catch on to that.
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