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Old 07-01-2014, 02:33 PM
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We went off with a charter a few weeks back. Is it normal for the guide to only have one bait in the water? And only have 5 rods? And no jigs for bottom fishing on board? And no top water lures rigged?
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Old 07-01-2014, 02:43 PM
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That's what I would call "barebones"

I will say that the norm for live bait is usually two baits in the water off the outriggers. Anymore than that tends to get tangled up.

But, yes he should have had a spinning rod with a popper on it for when the tuna start busting beside the boat.
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Old 07-01-2014, 03:21 PM
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Another problem we had was after not catching anything all day when we finally did get a small blackfin in the boat he took at least 8-10 minutes getting the hose out, draining a compartment and rinsing the boat down. Without a bait in the water
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We saw boats at one rig, we stayed maybe 20 minutes. Three of the boats that we saw at that rig came back after we did with a lot of fish, including a dolphin that he caught on top water.

To be the first boat back with one small black fin put a bad taste in our mouth. I always thought if you came in first you better had had a banner day.
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Usually 2 live baits or 2 rods chunking and a jig or 2 and 1 or 2 poppers rigged up.
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Usually 2 live baits or 2 rods chunking and a jig or 2 and 1 or 2 poppers rigged up.
X2. This is the standard setup when tuna fishing the rigs this time of year.

Sounds like he gave you a boat ride down the river. How many people were in your charter? Did the guide have a mate?
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You got hosed!!!!! Hope it wasn't the two guys that got arrested for guiding without a license
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Who did you fish with? PM me if you don't want to post his name on here
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Deja Vu. Didn't matter that we didn't catch any YFT, we didn't have any ice. Sometimes I guess you just get the trip from hell. It was all Jim's fault.
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That sucks...there's a bunch of good guides down there that can fill up a box. Aren't those the guys that hit a rig a couple years ago in a storm?

I was there a couple weeks ago also and had a "good" day - 8 yellowfin and a decent mahi. I've used several guides down there over the years, but after watching all the boats come in and unload their catch day after day, I've stuck with Eddie Burger whenever he's available. His partner Michael Pittman is also very good. They usually set the standard for the other charters in terms of fish caught IMO.
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Man, it sounds like you didn't get a good effort from your captain. I can't imagine a trip with nothing but a blackfin to show for it this time of year.
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Travis Mayeaux is the newest captain with MGFC. Give him a try next time. He's gets as excited as you do catching fish!

Plus he's making a name for himself!
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That sucks...there's a bunch of good guides down there that can fill up a box. Aren't those the guys that hit a rig a couple years ago in a storm?

I was there a couple weeks ago also and had a "good" day - 8 yellowfin and a decent mahi. I've used several guides down there over the years, but after watching all the boats come in and unload their catch day after day, I've stuck with Eddie Burger whenever he's available. His partner Michael Pittman is also very good. They usually set the standard for the other charters in terms of fish caught IMO.
Is that Paradise outfitters? That was the boat that we saw throwing the top water and came back to the dock with a dolphin. I wish we went with them. We also found out they were cheaper.


No mate only a captain. We did chunk early in the morning but after we lost one fish we left the rig and never chunked again.

I have not seen any negative post on him on here so maybe it was just a bad day. But it sure felt like he was not prepared and gave very little effort after the first two rigs weren't working.
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2 years ago in Santo Domingo, DR, a friend was trying to talk me into a fishing trip, ... until he saw the PVC pipe with mono wrapped around it, and a hook. That was the tackle. Everything is uphill from there.
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Originally Posted by mrmamiller View Post
2 years ago in Santo Domingo, DR, a friend was trying to talk me into a fishing trip, ... until he saw the PVC pipe with mono wrapped around it, and a hook. That was the tackle. Everything is uphill from there.
I bet it wasn't 2500 though.
It doesn't matter how nice of a boat he had when there is only 5 rods on the boat and none rigged for anything else but live bait that sucks.
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Is that Paradise outfitters? That was the boat that we saw throwing the top water and came back to the dock with a dolphin. I wish we went with them. We also found out they were cheaper.


No mate only a captain. We did chunk early in the morning but after we lost one fish we left the rig and never chunked again.

I have not seen any negative post on him on here so maybe it was just a bad day. But it sure felt like he was not prepared and gave very little effort after the first two rigs weren't working.
No Eddie doesn't run Paradise - that's another captain and he's good too from what I know. He fishes out of that big blue cat I think. We were fishing out of a Twin Vee with Michael Pittman and we were throwing poppers all morning but caught all our fish on live pogies. Had 8 tuna by 9 am and then trolled a rip line for dolphin/marlin and caught one mahi and a bunch of chickens. Got back to the dock around 2 and spent the rest of the day vacuum sealing our fish.

It took us a few trips to find a good charter also. First trip the guy had a great boat but showed up hungover with no mate. We still managed 3 yellowfin with 4 anglers. Second trip with different captain we each caught an AJ then only one yellowfin before getting chased back in by a storm. Since then all trips have been with Eddie:

Two weeks ago - 4 anglers: 8 yellowfin, 1 mahi
Last Fall - 4 anglers: 12 yellowfin
Last summer - 3 anglers: 7 yellowfin, 5 mahi, snapper limit
Two years ago - 4 anglers: 7 YF (172 pounder), Cobia, snapper limit, 5 mangroves

You get the idea. Don't want to get into a pissing match about which captain is better down there. Most all of them are good, but there are some that don't produce consistently. Maybe he just had a bad day, but Paul is right - this time of year he should be putting you on fish. Only excuse would be bad weather IMO. Too bad it cost you $2,500 to find that out.
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Originally Posted by nvme9361 View Post
Is that Paradise outfitters? That was the boat that we saw throwing the top water and came back to the dock with a dolphin. I wish we went with them. We also found out they were cheaper.


No mate only a captain. We did chunk early in the morning but after we lost one fish we left the rig and never chunked again.

I have not seen any negative post on him on here so maybe it was just a bad day. But it sure felt like he was not prepared and gave very little effort after the first two rigs weren't working.
You should call him and talk to him.
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Any discrepancies should be taken up immediately with the capt. This year is a different year down here in Venice. The scattered grass has been a nightmare. So on some days I have only fished one rod due to grass. Not sure if that was the situation but just trying to shed some light on the situation. Not sure about having a jigs rigged generaly they just get in the way. Topwater plugs are good maybe he didn't realize there wasn't one rigged up. Did you mention that to him along with no jig rigged? I'm sure he would of done so. As for cleaning the boat up after the fish when boats cost more than houses you have to take care of them. And when fishing multiple days in a row any extra step done offshore only helps at the dock. They run a good service but take your differences up with the capt right the. And there. That way he can resolve the problems.
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Old 07-02-2014, 06:20 AM
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Marlin, my thought is all the captains seen good because the fisheries is so good. The difference in a good captain and a great captain is what happens on the bad days. When the fishing is good just about anybody that does it for a living can catch fish.

Paul, call him to say what "I think you didn't try enough". None of us said much at the time but when we left cypress cove and went to Venice Marina to eat and saw the apocalypse of tuna that came in AFTER WE GOT THERE we all were real sick, because we were ready to chalk it up to just a bad day but when all the boats that we saw at the rig that were coming in had fish, all we had was a huge bill.
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I have seen this situation happen over and over again. The BEST thing you can do is talk to the captain before the trip and get a good feel for how he likes to run his trips and what the plan will be for the day. While your out on the water if your not to happy with what is going on express your feelings right then and there. If your still not happy when you return to the dock this is your last chance to straighten out the situation and both parties come up with a resolution. 99% of unhappy people will not do this, instead they wait untill they get home and hide behind a keyboard and start a thread on the internet where ultimately the captain ends up getting bashed.

nvme9361, im not trying to bash you or anything, but this is probably the 10th thread I have seen like this..

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