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Old 06-27-2014, 01:58 AM
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Hi guys. maybe someone around may help me on this issue:
I am using the Lee outrigger MX8228. I will begin fishing with dredges this year. I am using standard telescoping back bars and I am afraid about their their resistance to hold the pressure of dredges. I troll between 6-7 knots and I am using triple dredges from tournament cable rigged with stick baits, not with mullets or ballyhoos). These dredges are light weighted and I am using 2-4 pounds weights but they still exert a high pressure on the outrigger.
Does anyone of you guys had any problem on using dredges with the standard telescoping back bar from Lee?
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Old 06-27-2014, 05:24 AM
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I assume you are using pulleys to pull them with?
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Old 06-27-2014, 07:54 AM
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I assume you are using pulleys to pull them with?
Yep, i'm using the A system with 2 pulleys, but the returning line is also connected to the rigger, not to the boat
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:07 AM
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We reinforced our Rupp back bars by using a larger diameter tube and sleeving it by inserting the standard back bar.

We pull triple mullet and ballyhoo dredges with about 8-10lbs of weight.

FWIW, we also had to pin the knuckle arms to keep them from twisting under pressure.

Here is some bad news: I tried the Tournament Cable triple stick bait dredge in the fish rich waters of Mexico's east coast and another poster who runs charter boats in Costa Rica tried one as well. Though we both thought they looked great and would really work well, their performance was unimpressive and does not compare to that of a strip dredge let alone a natural bait dredge.

I really wanted that stick dredge to work to cut down on bait expenses and to shorten prep time for my crew, but I tried two, and they just didn't cut it.

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Old 06-27-2014, 10:17 AM
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Thanks for the info, JPK.
I am aware that the stick baits can't substitute natural baits. I buyed the colapsable TC dredges because I don't want to have an issue with storage.
Now about the stick baits: I know places where they look to work fine, and other places where they don't. If they don't work in my area, I will try another type of artificial baits or eventually use a double dredge with the external layer with mullets (although I can easy get mullets casting a net, it is out of question to rig dozens of baits since I don't have a professional crew to do the "not so funny" work...
Any sugestions for alternative artificial baits?
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Old 06-27-2014, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by solrac1957 View Post
Thanks for the info, JPK.
I am aware that the stick baits can't substitute natural baits. I buyed the colapsable TC dredges because I don't want to have an issue with storage.
Now about the stick baits: I know places where they look to work fine, and other places where they don't. If they don't work in my area, I will try another type of artificial baits or eventually use a double dredge with the external layer with mullets (although I can easy get mullets casting a net, it is out of question to rig dozens of baits since I don't have a professional crew to do the "not so funny" work...
Any sugestions for alternative artificial baits?
I tried the stick baits dredge out of Isla Mujeres and Puerto Aventuras Mexico, both on the east coast, Isla primarily sails, PA a mix of sails, whites and blues, and I tried it in the Bahamas, and out of Ocean City, MD, and the results were uniformly unimpressive. I hope it works better for you.

The dredge arms my stick dredges came with were great, fwiw.

I have used a strip dredge, and, imo, it is about the equal of a natural ballyhoo dredge on sailfish, almost on par with a mullet dredge for sails. Not as good as a natural for whites, but it works for them. Not too much experience with strip dredges on blues, but a world traveled pro captain friend of mine loves them for blues.

Guys up here are using and loving a rubber squid dredge made of blue and crystal colored squids. We put one together mixing in some small marlin mud flaps and ran it for awhile last Friday. It looked great in the water. Some marlin are being caught up here off OC now, but they are not concentrated enough to compare the fish raising ability of a dredge on one side vs. the dredge on the other side, so the jury is still out. We didn't see any marlin last Friday, but we caught a bunch of tuna with the dredge in the water - it didn't scare them off at least!

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Old 06-27-2014, 03:47 PM
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JPK, what size rubber squid do you rig the dredges: 6" or 9"?
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Old 06-27-2014, 11:43 PM
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We used 9", and other boats do too.

Are you targeting whites?

Whites have a love for big baits, so we fish pretty big teasers for them, but dinks for the hook up ratio.

On the other hand, a dredge with a lot of 6" squid might make a good showing in the water, not pull too hard and be a good all rounder. Might be perfect for sails too.

Our triple tier, six arm ballyhoo and mullet dredges have 42 fish on them. I didn't count the squids and mud flaps on the artificial one of the crew made, but it was smaller, with fewer baits. Partially because he bought all of the blue and crystal squids the shop had.

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In my opinion your issue is trying to pull way too much weight/resistance through the water. Boats in Hawaii deal with that problem by running a line with no stretch from the outer ring of the rigger to the bow cleat on the boat to take some of the pressure off the rigger.

You could also do what we did some years ago. We have 3 center riggers, the outer two are in Rupp Top Guns. They are not stayed but work fine since the pull angle is out to the rear and is not pulling the rigger sideways. We have Rupp 18' poles in the Top Guns. I think that if you were to use Carbon Fiber poles in the Top Guns, that would totally take care of your problem.

We have had better fish raising by running our dredges off the stern cleats back about even with the long flat lines. Every boat is different but that what works for us and takes the riggers totally out of the mix.
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Old 06-28-2014, 10:33 PM
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So long as you pull points on your dredges are inside of the bar, and the back bar one of the larger diameter fixed bars made for pulling dredges you won't have issues with your riggers, except maybe needing to drill and tap your knuckles so the won't twist.

One a twin inboard sportfish you really want the dredges running in clean water and preferably running where you can see them from the helm, so when a fish in one one you can pull it in to switch him off to a flatline bait.

We fish our flat lines so the bait is a little further back than the end of the dredge so if a fish turns off the dredge that bait is within he sight.

We fish chain teasers outside of the dredges and further back.

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