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Old 05-10-2014, 10:05 PM
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Hello community, I had a question for whoever can relate or give input. I am an ex-felon, I was charged with burglary a year ago and was wondering if it would disqualify me from getting my six pack certification. I looked around and one site stated that any felony or drug offence is an instant out. However, on a different website it listed felonies that would disqualify my and burglary wasn't listed. Does anybody know about this? Do you know where i could get a clear answer?
Thanks- Chris.S
Old 05-10-2014, 11:12 PM
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http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx...0.1.2.10.2.7.6

scroll down to 10.211 Has the basic crimes and wait periods. Other than what you see it is up to an evaluator and then it is up to interpretation of the evaluator. Capt joe
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Would seem burglary is a minimum 3 year wait off that table.

Out of curiosity can you approach them for an answer or doesn't the system work like that over there?
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Yeah , That's the way I read it,,that is right out of the current CFR (Coasties Bible) lol
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Got to ask was your burglary related to the need for drug money? Sorry, but come on why did you feel the need to steal something that did not belong go you?
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Got to ask was your burglary related to the need for drug money? Sorry, but come on why did you feel the need to steal something that did not belong go you?
Yea, something like that, during my senior year of highschool I started hanging around the wrong crowd, I was drinking with friends and ended taking xanax, apparently alcohol and meds don't mix well.I don't remember anything else from that night. I blacked out and wrecked my car at about 5 am. They found a bag of phones and a laptop but let me go home. A month later there was a warrant for my arrest for burglary. I was blacked out and don't remember a thing. If I had been sober I would have never done anything like that, but it opened my eyes to see who I was becoming and the friends I was associating with. It turned my life around for the better.
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Yea, something like that, during my senior year of highschool I started hanging around the wrong crowd, I was drinking with friends and ended taking xanax, apparently alcohol and meds don't mix well.I don't remember anything else from that night. I blacked out and wrecked my car at about 5 am. They found a bag of phones and a laptop but let me go home. A month later there was a warrant for my arrest for burglary. I was blacked out and don't remember a thing. If I had been sober I would have never done anything like that, but it opened my eyes to see who I was becoming and the friends I was associating with. It turned my life around for the better.
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I would have to agree with Skoopaloop on this. If you were a senior last year when you ran afoul of the law, then I would suggest looking for a job as a mate. About the time you would be a decent mate you will have run the no go period, and you might be able to seek to have the conviction expunged from your record. Seems you meet the general requirements for consideration for that. Young, first offender, truly reformed, pretty obviously stupid and thoughtless actions rather than a planned out crime.

The right mate job is like having two jobs as well. But stay away from the ne'r do wells on the dock... And there are plenty of them...

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It could be hard getting your TWIC card as well for a few years. Just filled out all my paperwork to get my masters and they really hammered on us about turning over the twic if we were arrested and charged. Agree with others..get some time as a mate then go for your oupv. Not sure if you need a twic as a mate. Here our mates have to be enrolled in the drug screen program where I know a few mates in N.C. that would never drop clean.... not sure on difference between nearshore and great takes. I do know they just changed it that the equivalent great lakes time will get you a nearshore endorsement, lots of rules, take a class and they can help you with any questions. Good luck.
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It takes some guts to ask a question like that on here and I commend you for that. Lots of young people mess up old people too. The coasties when I went to Nautical School. a few guys asked questions regarding what kind of transgressions. Everything from white collar crime, bar fights, car accidents, driving with no insurance, DWI, smoking pot, tax evasion and child support. All kinds of stuff. The instructor who owned and started the school would always respond that the biggest reason for rejection was people not putting it down. Not the actual offense. They heard it all whatever you did it probably wont surprise them. They just need to know about it. Best of luck.
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At least the drug testing might help keep you clean. I've always thought that the job of professional captain and especially mate would lead me right into alcoholism though.
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Originally Posted by Skookaloop View Post
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Chris, I wish you well. Yes, you have the right attitude. I hope you can get this sorted and can get your license.
Best of luck
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Having been on the licensing side of state insurance regulation a number of years ago, I can tell you that these "assessment periods" were possibly forced upon the Coast Guard by the courts or by fear of the courts once they started tightening down on licensing after 9-11. That is what happened to the Florida Department of Insurance back in the early 90's. The courts eventually said, not, you cannot ban someone from licensure for life because you feel like it especially if their crime was not a serious financial crime or related to insurance. So they said 15 years for serious financial crimes, insurance related offenses, general crimes of "moral turpitude" and such and boy howdy, they meant 15 years, They even tried to do end runs around sealed/expunged records which we still had back them by saying if they were able to gather the evidence some other way, they could use it. of course, the found out about the crimes from arrest records in the fist place, so that was BS. I say this because the OP appears to be subject to a 3 year ban from the time of conviction at a minimum. At a maximum, it would appear that the USCG could, I theory say no for 10 years after completion of probation. I will tell you with a high degree of certainty that you will likely NEVER get any kind of license of this type while you are still on probation or parole no matter what the chart says.
The need for a TWIC is another newer hurdle that makes this process more complex. Be glad you are not applying for ANY job at the airport.
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OP, kudos for asking the question and getting on track. Suggestion: why not work as a mate while you're waiting to get your license? Great experience, you'll be a better charter captain, and you'll learn the business from a pro. Good luck regardless, wish you the very best on your path to be a captain!
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Yea, something like that, during my senior year of highschool I started hanging around the wrong crowd, I was drinking with friends and ended taking xanax, apparently alcohol and meds don't mix well.I don't remember anything else from that night. I blacked out and wrecked my car at about 5 am. They found a bag of phones and a laptop but let me go home. A month later there was a warrant for my arrest for burglary. I was blacked out and don't remember a thing. If I had been sober I would have never done anything like that, but it opened my eyes to see who I was becoming and the friends I was associating with. It turned my life around for the better.
We need more info. Burglary is breaking and entering in order to commit a felony. My guess is larceny is the felony in this case in addition to burglary. Were you charged with larceny as well? Possession of stolen goods? Were you convicted? Did you take a plea deal and receive a suspended sentence? Have you stayed out of trouble with the law?

And P.S. you are either a felon or not a felon. No such thing as an ex-felon.
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