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Old 04-10-2014, 07:39 PM
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Ok I recently bought an offshore fishing boat. My question is how do I begin to "build" my book of numbers. I know about public numbers from charts. I also know that those numbers are hit pretty hard, so my question is how do I find "new" numbers. I have ALOT of numbers far offshore from a commercial friend. The problem is I can not alsways run 70+ miles to catch snapper/grouper. I was wondering what technique worked or if anyone knows of a good bathometric chart for Raymarine c80. I hope someone can give me some advice. I have seen people selling numbers on the internet, but I am cautious because it does usually describe what the numbers are (wrecks, ledges, hard bottom, springs) plus there is no guarantee that they are "verified" numbers. Thank you for any help!!
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Not trying to sound like a jerk, but put in your time. Use the resources you have and go from there.
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Where are you fishing out of?
Old 04-10-2014, 08:21 PM
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Where are you fishing out of?
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Old 04-10-2014, 08:33 PM
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I am fishing out of Anna Maria, Sarasota area. I am willing to put in my time (as stated earlier) just trying to find the best technique to use. It is amazing how a simple question can strike nerves with certain people (look at first response). What are the resources you gladly share wisdom about "using". Also please define "using" that is my question. Maybe I was not clear enough but not trying to NOT put my time in. I just feel that fishing numbers from a chart will be not be productive. I was wondering do I just put a couple of trolling rods out the back and "put my time in" or am I better to invest in a bathometric chip or purchase the Captain Voyager program. I am just trying to find the "best" techniques to develop good numbers. I feel fishing is something that should be shared AND enjoyed....I was looking for some help (share information) to allow me and my family to enjoy fishing/boating. I apologize to anyone who may have perceived I was looking for the easy way out. Thanks for any advice from what you have learned in building your "book of numbers."
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I got most of my numbers by trolling. I much prefer bottom fishing but I'd go troll for wahoo, dolphin, whatever in the depths where you'd want to bottom fish. Then just keep an eye on the sonar. If you run over something at that speed you should see fish on your sonar. If it looks promising turn around and run a live bait down and see what you catch.

You can also use a website like this to get the GPS coordinates for an area where you'd like to explorer.
http://florida-offshore.com/Florida_...ST_Charts.html

Also, since I assume your new to offshore fishing. Practicing holding your boat on a spot. You can do this in the bay without burning any gas and it will make your trip much more enjoyable for you and those fishing with you.

Good luck and tight lines!

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Old 04-10-2014, 08:44 PM
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First thing is learning your bottom machine, once you understand what it's showing you the rest is easy. Hiltons has quite a few numbers in your area and a decent bottom chart. If your looking to buy some really good numbers to get you going pm me and I can put you in touch with someone in your area.

One tip to get you started is anytime you see a hill rising up (sand) there's generally gonna be rock in the roll down. Look on a chart for any irregular shapes in the contour lines, this is usually a good place to start. Pick an area out and just go look, you'll be hard pressed to go more than 2-3 miles without finding some good bottom. Ledges run for miles sometimes popping in and out of the sand, once you find one just keep looking around.
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Learning your machine as well as upgrading too.
here is a thread of a good fellow member here on tht. He explains what you want to see when running to a number or just idling to find a spot.
http://www.thehulltruth.com/florida-...e-updated.html

Personally when we find new #'s, it happens when we are running from one # to another. In between point A and B, their may be a spike on the bottom. This spike can be a multitude of things, a bait pod, wreck, ledge, depression, etc.
Nonetheless, our gulf is relatively flat and very sandy. Any sort of structure will hold fish and act as an oasis. This last trip, when heading to a public # we drove over a spike in 90'. Turned around, honed in on the spot and pulled up 4 keeper red grouper instantly. Now, we probably cleaned this spot of and most likely does not have any more reds on it. However, this spot held fish one point of time, and in the future may hold some again. Looking at a bathy chart only does so much. I have been on many ledges that have been barren or even nonexistent.
Your best case scenario is to be out on the water and moving. I would not trust people selling #'s over craigslist. The one member's link I posted is a good guy, he sells numbers in your general region as well.

If you have any questions, please just ask away.
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You need to learn to use your bottom machine and understand what it is telling you. Then you need to put in time driving around looking at it to find the right bottom to start fishing. If the bottom looks good, start fishing. If you have luck, mark your spot. If not, move on.

From where you are based, head west and at about 14 miles there is decent bottom to fish which runs north/south for quite a ways. Start w/ that.
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Originally Posted by dorado42 View Post
...It is amazing how a simple question can strike nerves with certain people (look at first response)...
You'll better appreciate the responses you get after you put your time in and then get asked at the dock, or on here, where your spots are.
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Pm "Grouperkng"

He's in your area and should be able to help.

Need Grouper, Snapper, Jack numbers <--PM ME!!
Need advanced bottom fishing lessons <----PM ME!!
15 years experience fishing the Tampa bay area and north from
1-100 Miles I have you covered

http://www.thehulltruth.com/florida-...-go-s-guy.html
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I know I am going to get flamed for this but if I see a boat fishing. I will slowly motor over and take a look. I won't fish the spot when there is another boat on it but if it looks good, I will come back and try it.
My sounder has a depth alarm. When I am trolling or running I will set it for a specified depth off the bottom. When it beeps I will take a look.
By far the best rocks are the ones I have found myself.
If you are fishing natural bottom structure, often a good rock will be in close proximity to one of my waypoints.
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The best spots are the ones you find yourself. If I have a few hours to fish I always start out trying to bag dinner and then looking for spots later. This can be done with your fish finder in conjunction with your GPS. Here is my simple step by step for finding spots.

1. Pick a spot to scout. It could be based on a good looking chart location, a gut instinct, a recommendation or whatever you want to base it on.

2. Set your GPS to track mode so you can see where you've gone.

3. Start drifting and fishing however you think will be productive: bottom, chumming, jigging, etc. But pay close attention to your fish finder.

4. When you feel you've drifted far enough, go back and do a parallel drift to your original drift. This is where the track mode is important. How far over do you want to move? For me, I half the general depth. If I'm in 100 feet of water I move over 50 feet and drift again.

5. When you mark something on your fish finder, mark it on your GPS.

6. Continue doing this until you either can't or won't do it anymore. Soon enough you will find a few good spots and, perhaps more importantly, eliminate poor fishing grounds.

7. This is the most critical step... don't tell anyone where your spots are! In fact, have a canned response for when people ask you where you got all those big fish. I fish out of Lake Worth inlet in Palm Beach so when someone asks me where I got what's in my fish bag my response is "110 feet, straight out".

Try it out. Having a method to your madness will make you a better fisherman.
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Thanks to all that replied....I knew it was a matter of "putting my time in and paying dues.". I was simply wondering what the most successful tecniques were that have been tried and true. I thank you guys again and appreciate the feedback/help!
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Here is a screen shot from one of our "Zoom" charts off of Tampa - it shows the pipeline as well as wrecks, ledges, springs, etc.

You can save the chart and all of the waypoints to navigate upon in our navigation app that we provide free for our subscribers - RT-Nav.

All the best,
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I agree with the suggestions already given. Just want to add another tool of the trade. When trying new bottom if there are two or more people fishing, have one rod rigged with a smaller hook and bait. This way if there are no grouper present you will find out who is home. Some times you will find only more bait to add to the live well OR a snapper/porgy spot to add your list.
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The best method to find lumps, snags, wrecks, etc. on the bottom is to use the same method they are using to try to find that airliner in the Indian Ocean.

Go to a starting spot and run on one line of Latitude. Make anything you see on your machine. Take notes on your observations of bottom consistency, etc. At the end of a sweep, do a nice curving turn and pick another line of Latitude where your sounder cone doesn't quite touch the cone width on your first pass. Just keep running those close together parallel courses. It's easy if you have an autopilot.

After covering a sizable area, go back to your marks and check them out.
Investing time and effort is best. Even if someone gave you their numbers, GPS machines are all a little different so you need to know what YOUR machine finds for you.
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My sounder has a depth alarm. When I am trolling or running I will set it for a specified depth off the bottom. When it beeps I will take a look.
When trying new bottom if there are two or more people fishing, have one rod rigged with a smaller hook and bait. This way if there are no grouper present you will find out who is home. Some times you will find only more bait to add to the live well OR a snapper/porgy spot to add your list.
Both of these have been productive for me.
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Originally Posted by handn View Post
I know I am going to get flamed for this but if I see a boat fishing. I will slowly motor over and take a look. I won't fish the spot when there is another boat on it but if it looks good, I will come back and try it.
My sounder has a depth alarm. When I am trolling or running I will set it for a specified depth off the bottom. When it beeps I will take a look.
By far the best rocks are the ones I have found myself.
If you are fishing natural bottom structure, often a good rock will be in close proximity to one of my waypoints.


I'm 30 miles out and some one motors that close to me...

You can at least be stealthy and get me on radar
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Originally Posted by gumpire View Post


I'm 30 miles out and some one motors that close to me...

You can at least be stealthy and get me on radar
LOL that's what I do. Buy a radar and ping the charter boats from a distance.

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