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Old 05-13-2005, 02:59 PM
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My Penn 113 Senator (black sides) drag goes from pretty loose to real tight with just a minor adjustment of the star drag. I have been meaning to send this old but still functional reel off to have it repaired but neglected to do so. Am leaving for a week long trip where this reel would be very handy if I can improve the drag myself. Are there any short term improvements I can make with it given I have no spare washers or anything available to me before this trip. I'm comfortable taking it apart - just wondering if disassembling, cleaning and reassembling the drag would be worth the effort? If so, and sorry for being such a n00b, but should I oil or grease certain drag components or just wipe them down?

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Old 05-13-2005, 04:47 PM
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Sounds like it needs a new tension washer. If they're left to sit for awhile with a tightened drag they will flatten out.
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Old 05-13-2005, 04:54 PM
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Yes, it does sound like that. I can go check that out although maybe not get parts in time for next week's trip (starts Sunday)
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Old 05-13-2005, 05:16 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

I think this will fix your problem. Alan Tani can fix you up with the parts.

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Old 05-13-2005, 08:15 PM
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the stock 113 has a stack of three #6-113 drag washers that are the same inner and outer diameter as the penn long beach #6-60 drag washer, but the #6-113's are thicker. there is a very slick upgrade for the 113 to increase the number of drags from three to six. to rebuild the bridge/gear cluster, you'll need six of the thinner #6-60 penn ht-100 drag washers, three slotted metal washers and two keyed metal washers. two sets of penn 6-60 drag washer kits will provide all of these parts, leaving only an extra keyed metal washer.

here's how you have to rebuild the stack. first, grease all the drag washers with a liberal amount of shimano drag grease. now start with a bare bridge. slide on a #6-60 ht-100 drag washer onto the gear sleeve, then the main gear, then a #6-60, then a slotted metal washer, then a #6-60, then a keyed metal washer, then a #6-60, then slotted metal, then a #6-60, then keyed metal, then a #6-60, then slotted metal, then the #9-66 spacing sleeve. you can discard the #8-60 tension springs (they're useless anyway). congratulations, you now have the bridge/gear cluster reassembled and you have converted your three drag 113 into a 6 drag 113. you're ready to rebuild the side plate.

did the guts fall out when you flipped the side plate over? bummer! you have to rebuild it. there are four bridge screws. two are threaded at just the tip. the clutch springs ride up and down on these. two are threaded the entire length. don't mix them up. insert the four bridge screws. cover two screws with your left index finger, cover two with your left middle finger. the side plate should be oriented so that the free spool lever is closest to the palm of your hand.note that you can now flip over the site plate and play with the guts of the reel without the screws falling out. you do not need to use masking tape anymore.

flip the side plate over and look at the empty guts. install the clutch springs. install the pinion gear and yoke as a unit. install the eccentric jack.

install the bridge/main gear/drag assembly. orient the bridge plate to it's final position just to get your bearings. now rotate the bridge plate 90 degrees counter-clockwise. install the dog. rotate the bridge clcockwise until it covers all but half of the last bridge screw. press down hard on the bridge so that it presses down against the side plate. see a small gap near the dog? carefully slide the dog spring into postion. now breathe.

rotate the bridge plate clockwise until it lines up with the bridge screws. cinch down each screw. check to see that the freespool lever works. check the anti-reverse mechanism. congratulations! you just rebuilt the side plate of a penn senator 113.

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Old 05-13-2005, 08:20 PM
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Default three more upgrades

one is a penn jigmaster power handle, part #24-56



next is a graphite clamp



and the last is a stainless steel gear sleeve. pete made a hundred for me and they're now half gone.



the stock gear sleeve is the smallest brass one. the stainless steel one to the right is the one that pete makes for me. they're very slick.
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Old 05-13-2005, 08:33 PM
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wsabi - 5/13/2005 11:59 AM

My Penn 113 Senator (black sides) drag goes from pretty loose to real tight with just a minor adjustment of the star drag. I have been meaning to send this old but still functional reel off to have it repaired but neglected to do so. Am leaving for a week long trip where this reel would be very handy if I can improve the drag myself. Are there any short term improvements I can make with it given I have no spare washers or anything available to me before this trip. I'm comfortable taking it apart - just wondering if disassembling, cleaning and reassembling the drag would be worth the effort? If so, and sorry for being such a n00b, but should I oil or grease certain drag components or just wipe them down?

Thanks for the advice!
sorry, wsabi. when someone asks me what time it is, i have a bad habit of trying to tell them how to make a clock. follow the instructions above for the rebuild. you need to tear apart the reel, clean off the metal washers and apply a liberal coat of shimano drag grease to the the stock washers. if you have no shimano drag grease available, just get everything as clean and dry as possible, slap it back together and go fish.

the problem is that all of your drag washers are stuck together. if you need some parts later, drop me an e-mail and i can ship some parts to you. when you pull the handle off, check the top of the gear sleeve. it's probably rounded off and needs to be replace. when you put the handle on, cinch down the handle nut until it seats, then crank the handle nut down hard, another 2-3 notches. it has to be really tight. good luck and enjoy your trip.
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Old 05-14-2005, 07:43 PM
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Hey, Alan. I need one of those S.S. gear sleeves for my 113h, I think. Sure would be nice to have one of those srainless ones to hang that heavy arse Int-30 handle on. Thanks.
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Old 05-15-2005, 12:40 AM
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actually, you should just stick with the stock brass gear sleeve. there is enough brass on the large 114/114h and the medium 113h/320gt2/330gti gear sleeve that you really don't need stainless steel. just
make sure then handle nut is good and tight.
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Old 05-20-2005, 03:08 PM
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Wonderful feedback! I dissassembled the reel and wiped down the drag washers. Put it back together, cleaned some mild corrosion off the tension washers (I have two tension washers sanwiched together) and things felt much, much better! Didn't get any fish to hit that rod...will review your posts Alan and see if I should get back inside the reel.

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Old 05-20-2005, 08:14 PM
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Alan,

My reel is not labeled as a 113, it just says Penn Senator 3/0 on the black side. I'm not sure if this means it is a 112 or a 113. I bought some drag washers from a bait shop for this reel and was given 3 drag washers, 3 metal drag washers, 1 tension spring and one fiber washer. I am looking at a Penn online diagram for the 113 and see 5 drag washers and 5 metal drag washers are called for, as well as 2 tension springs. I forget what is currently in the reel. Is 3 each what is now recommended or should I have 5 as per the diagram? Above you described a 6-washer arrangement.

Also, I'm not sure what type of drag washers I was given. These new ones look sorta like how cordura nylon looks with a fiberous crosshatch pattern. Are these HT-100?

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Old 05-20-2005, 10:34 PM
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Wsabi,
The Penn 113 is a 4/0 reel. The 3/0 is the 112.

The cross hatched material is indeed the HT 100 drag material.
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Old 05-22-2005, 10:10 PM
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oops! you have a different reel. sounds like you have an old, low speed, black side plate 3/0 senator known as the penn 112. i was working on one of those last week and tried to get a stack of 5 of the #6-60 drag washers into it. they would not fit. sometimes it's just like that. one drag washer you could use is a set of three of the #6-113. it has the same inner and outer dimensions as the #6-60, but it is thicker. if you have five #6-60's already, just put 2 on the bottom, two in the middle and one on top and you'll be fine.

the red side plate 3/0 reel is known as the 112H. it has the same main gear and drag set as the jigmaster.

your side plates are black, not red, right?
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Old 05-23-2005, 11:44 AM
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black and just identifies itself as a Penn Senator 3/0!
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