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Old 04-04-2013, 06:33 AM
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Default For those who travel to or have no boat in west palm beach area

We all travel a lot and sometimes you don't want to pay $600+ to go fishing by yourself.
I run a large 34 foot Custom legend CC 2013 etecs. I can take you out fishing in the palm beach area. I can take up to 5 comfortably. We can do a full day of fishing. Start the early am on the troll and pick up wahoo and dolphin. Then we can drift with kites and pick up sailfish/kings/tuna/mahi and more. We can even drift the wrecks and catch AJ grouper snapper yellow tails and more. if you want to chip in so be it but nothings mandatory. I use all top notch new equipment. I wish this was available for me so ill offer it to members here In hopes others will do the same so when I travel it'll be available for me.

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Damn thats a great thing to do Capt!
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You used the word charter. Are you registered as a charter operator? Busines license? Charging for just fuel and bait doesn't absolve you of the responsibility to operate legally as a charter. I see you have no NOAA Federal fishing permits. Are you a licensed captain? ;?
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Very generous offer ! Wish I would have known this in February when I spent a few days in West Palm on my way to Abaco!
If you get to Vancouver, Canada ill take you out chasing salmon!
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You used the word charter. Are you registered as a charter operator? Busines license? Charging for just fuel and bait doesn't absolve you of the responsibility to operate legally as a charter. I see you have no NOAA Federal fishing permits. Are you a licensed captain? ;?
I believe as soon as its a for profit situation. He has to get legal. There are many many guys fishing every day doing this. I have done it now and then in the past.
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If the "condition of carriage" involves the exchange of money then you are operating as a charter. It has nothing to do with making a profit. Also advertising a "charter" means you're a charter. If the OP wants to get legal like the rest of us who operate within the CFR then I'd be more than happy to help. I pay a great deal of money to be legitimate. I'm going under the assumption his operation is not legal. If he is legal then I offer my apologies. But this smells funny!
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Originally Posted by ThreeLittleFish View Post
If the "condition of carriage" involves the exchange of money then you are operating as a charter. It has nothing to do with making a profit. Also advertising a "charter" means you're a charter. If the OP wants to get legal like the rest of us who operate within the CFR then I'd be more than happy to help. I pay a great deal of money to be legitimate. I'm going under the assumption his operation is not legal. If he is legal then I offer my apologies. But this smells funny!
so when I ask for money for gas, bait and food.... as a condition of my buddies going fishing me, that's a charter? That's ludacris!... we're all going to charter jail.
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If your people are paying for gas then you are running a charter and all the liabilities that come with it. Btw I'm just as guilty ,although I only take out close friends and have full insurance coverage. Just not charter boat ins. Good luck....
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http://boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/passengers.htm

"Bottom line: if you are a recreational boater, you are allowed to share expenses for a day on the water. Just don't make payment mandatory if someone wants a boat ride."
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Originally Posted by Gary999 View Post
http://boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/passengers.htm

"Bottom line: if you are a recreational boater, you are allowed to share expenses for a day on the water. Just don't make payment mandatory if someone wants a boat ride."
Payment is only mandatory if someone wants a second boat ride.
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Originally Posted by DavenFla View Post
so when I ask for money for gas, bait and food.... as a condition of my buddies going fishing me, that's a charter? That's ludacris!... we're all going to charter jail.
That's the law but obviously no one really cares about that situation. When you start advertising your services then you're definitely running a charter! This isn't a grey area.

"Bottom line: if you are a recreational boater, you are allowed to share expenses for a day on the water. Just don't make payment mandatory if someone wants a boat ride."
If your people are paying for gas then you are running a charter and all the liabilities that come with it. Btw I'm just as guilty ,although I only take out close friends and have full insurance coverage. Just not charter boat ins. Good luck....
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OP,

Very generous. Clearly you are not making a living -- you just like to go fishing. The world would be a better place if more people were as welcoming/open as you are with your boat.

The charter guy complaining is a little off base if you ask me. It's like a commercial landscaper complaining about a neighborhood kid mowing a next door neighbors yard (and not liking that he has to "compete" with someone who doesn't have the same business overhead/insurance/workmans comp etc). It may be true, but it's not real competition or a real threat to their business model.
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So what happens if somebody gets hurt or dies? First of all you are going out with somebody who may or not be a captain and have no idea what experience or safety equipment he carries on board. I am not a charter captain by any means but there is a reason for all that goes with being a captain and having to spend big $$ to become one. I have chipped in on my share of boats and fished many people. None of the folks I fished with ever advertised themselves as a charter. Several times we have been stopped and asked "For hire or recreational?" . So what happens when someone on board yells out "For hire"? Maybe the OP should have posted "Looking for some new fishing buddy's in the ______ area. I wouldn't want to see him or anybody else put themselves or their boat in any danger. Always remember when you mess with somebody's $$ you get the mean end.
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Originally Posted by ThreeLittleFish View Post
If the "condition of carriage" involves the exchange of money then you are operating as a charter. It has nothing to do with making a profit. Also advertising a "charter" means you're a charter. If the OP wants to get legal like the rest of us who operate within the CFR then I'd be more than happy to help. I pay a great deal of money to be legitimate. I'm going under the assumption his operation is not legal. If he is legal then I offer my apologies. But this smells funny!

Bottom line: if you are a recreational boater, you are allowed to share expenses for a day on the water. Just don't make payment mandatory if someone wants a boat ride.

Read the rules. It is very obvious that its OK to share expenses amongst a group wating to get on the water.
I think the government was more concerned with tax dollars lost from a pleasure boat being written off as a fake charter business that looses money every year.
http://boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/passengers.htm
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Originally Posted by Bly View Post
Bottom line: if you are a recreational boater, you are allowed to share expenses for a day on the water. Just don't make payment mandatory if someone wants a boat ride.

Read the rules. It is very obvious that its OK to share expenses amongst a group wating to get on the water.
I think the government was more concerned with tax dollars lost from a pleasure boat being written off as a fake charter business that looses money every year.
http://boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/passengers.htm
Do you not get the part in bold? Really? ;?

I'm sure when you are in need of professional services you like to use unlicensed non union contractors, doctors who aren't board certified, mechanics without ASE certification and of course you like to eat in restaurants that aren't inspected by the board of health. The deeper you go the stupider it gets!
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Three Little Fish- Do you ever have a buddy help you do something that he is good at but not a pro?
Did you ever have your trees trimmed by guys that werent tree surgeons?
Or your house painted by guys that didnt have workmans comp, but used them because they were cheaper?
Or a handyman doing odd jobs instead of several different specialists?
Ever go over a friends house for dinner? Or how about have you ever eaten in the Bahamas? Did you check their board of health certificate prior to eating?

You are comparing the importance of the skills of a charter boat captain to those of medical doctors? You are correct- This is getting stupid!
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For years Guys with boats that fish for fun have been getting together and sharing cost. With the price of fuel and other expenses, It wont stop soon. Maybe the OP saying you can chip in. Nothing mandatory. hurts your business. But it is not going to cause him any problems legally or make it a charter needing a captain. What part in bold are you talking about? in the OP statement. The biggest problem is if a licensed captain goes on as a guest. and there is an accident. If the guest is the only one on the boat with a license he is responsible in a court of law. If he could have taken control of the situation and made a better outcome because of his experience. That is a fact. I have passed my captains test years ago and chose not to hold a ticket because of those crazy situations out there. I fish on other peoples boats all up and down the coast and always try to contribute something. It aint stopping because of your post.
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Originally Posted by Angler Managemnt View Post
We all travel a lot and sometimes you don't want to pay $600+ to go fishing by yourself.
I run a large 34 foot Custom legend CC 2013 etecs. I can take you out fishing in the palm beach area. I can take up to 5 comfortably. We can do a full day of fishing. Start the early am on the troll and pick up wahoo and dolphin. Then we can drift with kites and pick up sailfish/kings/tuna/mahi and more. We can even drift the wrecks and catch AJ grouper snapper yellow tails and more. if you want to chip in so be it but nothings mandatory. I use all top notch new equipment. I wish this was available for me so ill offer it to members here In hopes others will do the same so when I travel it'll be available for me.
I live in west palm an would like to take a friend out offshore around may 8 how would we go about this. How much for gas
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http://forums.floridasportsman.com/s...t-Jupiter-1-22

http://forums.floridasportsman.com/s...-charter!-1-25

I really can't argue in the face of what's is blatantly obvious! People who go out fishing and share expenses don't have customers and don't call what they do charters. IN ADDITION to calling yourself a charter and calling the people customers if you're going to make a condition of carriage compensation then you are operating a charter. We can put an end to this argument by forwarding this thread to the USCG sector 7 in MIA and see what their response would be and I'd be willing to put money on what perspective they would have on this situation.
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How about a view from the other side. I am a professional pilot and spend a lot of nights and days away from home. When i am can i go down to the docks, walk around and maybe even visit with those who want to talk. I have chartered a boat on a few occasions just to fish in a new area or if the bite was on, but for the most part i do not go out and save my money for gas in my boat. Now if i could take more opportunities like this when i have the time throw a couple hundred out for gas a i know what is involved i would be all over it, sorry charter guys but i have my family to think of as well. Would i go on a boat with someone with 7 post, probably not, but some of the others on these and other boards who i know can fish you betcha. In the end as long as he is truly just being nice and hates to fish alone well the charter docks probably would not have the business anyway. Its just like when you take your friends out on your boat you may tell them you have all the expenses covered but you also figure they will chip into the kitty.

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