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Old 03-24-2013, 05:16 PM
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Good day my fellow tuna enthusiasts.

I wish I had joined this site for reason’s other than the one I am about to describe.

In fact I apologise in advance, if the following changes anyone’s opinion on a certain individual or brand.

You will note, that to some degree, I am going to try and stay ‘unemotional’ regarding the following, and will do my best to make it factual, and informative, for no other reason than exposing someone which has a reputation they don’t deserve, and maybe also to stop some other poor soul being ripped off like I have, despite the fact that I am livid. Brave I know, especially when the subject of your email is a popular person.

Some background.

So I am not accused of being some anonymous John Doe, my name is Simon Freeman ( simonfreeman98@yahoo.com ) and I am a New Zealander based in Auckland. We have a great winter Bluefin fishery here, a bug and addiction I can’t, and don’t want to shake.

In preparation for this years coming winter I researched rod manufacturers/finishers extensively. I wanted something different, something special, something custom. A industry contact recommended Armbreaker ( he is kicking himself now ) and an introduction was made. The choices were endless David, but I chose YOU!

I duly entered into an email stream with David Cichon. I must say, from the outset, the guy impressed the hell out of me. I had barely sent emails and I would get a reply. Every email was filled with wonderful statements – how happy I would be with the rods, how special they would be ( I wanted photos of my daughters embossed on them) and also laughingly, how we would become lifelong friends as a result of this deal. Yes, I have all copies of emails, and nothing I am writing in this post, can’t be backed up with evidence. This message is not written lightly, quite the opposite.

So, all seems well I think. Of course I should add that at this stage I have also sent well in excess of 1k USD to David by paypal. He needed this urgently he said to get the blanks in.

Sadly, very sadly, this was when the wheels started to fall off.

First was nothing, I mean nothing, not a single word.

Not being one to get too excited, and with time to spare, I wasn’t too concerned, but finally sent an email asking what was happening. Nothing………… Send another email, and get a reply mid/late February, saying sorry for delay, and that rods would be with me in 2 weeks – you guessed it pilgrims, nothing.


So I write, nothing, I call, messages full, I look on Facebook, and his personal page, unless I am mistaken, has gone, all that is left is Armbreaker rods page on which I have since posted.

And now, as a result of my post there, in come the emails of others, whom, like me, are waiting.

David, I pray that nothing terrible has happened to you, but, if some terrible event has befallen you, there are ways to keep your customers happy and informed. Auto responses, voice mail messages etc etc – you know the score, so stop being a cum stain and sort people out.

‘People’ I hear you say? Yes, you see since embarking on this task of exposing you to other innocents, I have since heard from 2 other people, who have been treated, and are being treated exactly like me.

You David, don’t deserve the reputation you have. I hope this message saves other people time and money.

David, you are striking me as a crack head.

Please, prove me wrong, explain your actions, or lack thereof, and either give me my money back, my rods, or a confirmed delivery date that better be in days, not weeks.

If you think that I will go away if you ignore me, think again.
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DId you check 360Tuna as well?
Old 03-24-2013, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazy Bones View Post
DId you check 360Tuna as well?

Hi LB, I have an application in there at the moment for Forum membership and as soon as it is approved will be posting the same.
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Always sucks to get screwed, sorry to hear your story.

Just curios, If you paid thru pay pal using a credit card aren't you protected from scumbags like this by filing a dispute of the charges ?
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Yeah, I would file a paypal dispute...
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those are some insane pics on his web site,,you may want to try posting in the florida region or florida sportsman website..someone must know him, live nearby
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Before you slander his name, id recommend you ask if anyone has heard or seen him. Coming on THT, and bitching about him when he is not on the forum, nor a vendor makes no sense. These vendors reputations are all they have, so keep that in mind.Im not affiliated with him or anyone on any boards, but i have dealt with many and based on how their business is online, it makes no sense to hear this about a reputable builder. I do understand your frustrations though.

Im a member at 360tuna and haven't read or seen any forms of negative comments towards him, I don't know him but i would highly recommend contacting him there or at a place that people might actually know him, talk to him regularly in case something has in fact happened to him. He builds some of the best rods out there, and i find it highly unlikely he'd be trying to screw you over, as well as his reputation. I would write this about any vendor i have witnessed in practice and would recommend the proper action.
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The comments are slander only if they aren't true. It's easy for Armbender to surface here and say the comments are not true. I hope that is the case since it appears he makes some impressive stuff, but it sounds like the op has given ample opportunity for a response or a rebuttal
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I agree, armbender can make it right or respond.
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Thank you for responsses to date.

@ manethon.

Sir, I do not post the above lightly. I have tried eveery which way imaginable to contact David. His own facebook page ( that was very active ) disappeared overnight, his voicemail is full, he is VERY overdue on the build and contact, I have now been contacted by others, whom are getting the run around - read: paid cash, no rods, no contact. Yes, I have names and emails of these people as well but obviously will notpost without permission, but rest assurred, they are also peeved. I have paid 1k on trust, and been burnt.

I am not here to slander, I am here to inform, and if you were someone who was about to part with your hard earned cash, I would dare say you would owe me a beer about now.

So if anyone wants to 'call' me on my accusations, I will happily post email trails here, including many many attempts, through a variety of mediums, to contact the guy.

All I want is my rod, my money, or an explanation. I am a very paatient person, but hate being crossed like the next guy.

I bellieve I am taking the proper action. Like you, I had only heard good things, and had been amazed at his handywork, hence why thiis is even more of a slap in the face.

Why don't you try and contact him yourself - all I would say is good luck, it would be easier getting Osama on the phone.
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forgot to add re paypal, email correspondence with a Ca based ripped off client reveals that we are too late to lay complaint and that there is an expiry period that we are now outside of. The party I refer to has also made inquiry with Police whom are following up. If any of you believe I have over reacted, or havee not explored an avenue available to me, then please tell me what you would do. If its a realistic suggestion I will do it.
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I understand your frustration. I sent him a pm for you at 360.
Lets see what happens of it. I wasn't implying your lying, I'm just saying we don't know any details on his side, the guy could be in hospital or worse.... Who knows.
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Originally Posted by manethon View Post
I understand your frustration. I sent him a pm for you at 360.
Lets see what happens of it. I wasn't implying your lying, I'm just saying we don't know any details on his side, the guy could be in hospital or worse.... Who knows.

respectfully Manethon, your last 2 words sumit up - Who Knows........

I would seriously, and dearly love any real advice on what others would do? or if I have overreacted. I lik to think matters through before acting in anyway.

I run a small/medium sized business. I can only thiink of situtions through my own eyes. If anything happened to me, in anyway, workmates or loved ones would step in.

also remember, I had been pateint for along time, aand only when his facebook page vaporized did I becom suspicious. This guy had smething like 5000 friendsor somme shit like that, it was an integral part o his ntworking and communications.

I hope like hell the guy is ok, but even if he is facing physical or mental challenges, the way matters are being atended to by him, or those whom should be acting on his behalf, sucks.

I thank you sincerely for trying to message him through 360.
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Aunty-I for one think you are well within your rights to post this, and it is a public service. I would be out of my head upset if I was you. I was actually considering him to build some special rods and had contacted him three or four months ago. His work looked beautiful if pricey. Ultimately I decided to put my money into blanks and guides and not abalone, and after hearing your story I am very happy that I did. Good luck to you and I hope there is a happy ending for you as well as David.
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Originally Posted by manethon View Post
Before you slander his name, id recommend you ask if anyone has heard or seen him. Coming on THT, and bitching about him when he is not on the forum, nor a vendor makes no sense. These vendors reputations are all they have, so keep that in mind.Im not affiliated with him or anyone on any boards, but i have dealt with many and based on how their business is online, it makes no sense to hear this about a reputable builder. I do understand your frustrations though.

Im a member at 360tuna and haven't read or seen any forms of negative comments towards him, I don't know him but i would highly recommend contacting him there or at a place that people might actually know him, talk to him regularly in case something has in fact happened to him. He builds some of the best rods out there, and i find it highly unlikely he'd be trying to screw you over, as well as his reputation. I would write this about any vendor i have witnessed in practice and would recommend the proper action.
If the poster sent the guy $1k, and then he disappears, with no product and no response, the poster has every right in the world to come on here and take it public.

Second, you're exactly right that their reputation is all they have. That's precisely why they have to do the job they're paid to do, otherwise their reputation goes to heck. Same as anywhere else. If nobody posts about their bad experiences, the next guy will get burned.

I'd done a lot of business with forum members and never posted about my experiences although at times I think I should. Some are great, some I've had to chase constantly for 3-4 months to get paid. Stay on top of it, file a claim with paypal, and make it public is my $.02.

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Originally Posted by manethon View Post
Before you slander his name, id recommend you ask if anyone has heard or seen him. Coming on THT, and bitching about him when he is not on the forum, nor a vendor makes no sense. These vendors reputations are all they have, so keep that in mind.Im not affiliated with him or anyone on any boards, but i have dealt with many and based on how their business is online, it makes no sense to hear this about a reputable builder. I do understand your frustrations though.

Im a member at 360tuna and haven't read or seen any forms of negative comments towards him, I don't know him but i would highly recommend contacting him there or at a place that people might actually know him, talk to him regularly in case something has in fact happened to him. He builds some of the best rods out there, and i find it highly unlikely he'd be trying to screw you over, as well as his reputation. I would write this about any vendor i have witnessed in practice and would recommend the proper action.
I posted on 360 about his grips falling apart, proir to ever being used, last year on some custom rods my bud had built. He denied he ever had a complaint. Aint that funny, rods were sent back and repaired, yet he publicly(open forum) denied it?!!
Hope you get your issues resolved. I hate seeing anyone getting screwed by an unscrupulous merchants!! Hopefully there is an explanation and everything turns out OK!!
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Good morning gentlemen.

Well, it gets weirder, and more slippery.

As stated, his personal facebook page disappeared and only the armbreaker rodss page remained. I posted on this particular page and received feedback from others in exactly the same boat as me - this morning that page has now been made 'secret' so no one can learn about this scam in motion.

His armbreaker rods facebook page 'co author' has contacted me to say David has gone completely AWOL and not even family know whereabouts..............and that there are 'tons' of other people looking for him.

He asked me not to 'start anything' - its the last thing I want I repllied ( yet he can't say where my rods are, and had no comment when i suggsted he just refund my money on Davids behalf) I just want my rods or my money back!!!!

Guys, if ANYONE thinks I am some stirrer basing his complaint onbullshit, then email me and call me out on it. NOTHING I have written can't be backed up by solid evidence
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it appears he has not even logged in at 360 for over a month.
something is up, what, i do not know.
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Maybe he is out catching snakes for grips?

Sucks that this has happened. Your money and the other's is likely gone. I think that you have a legit beef and hope you get your money back.
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Aunty, hate it for you and I agree you are well within your rights to go public. If he had a be sick or something I guarantee you a family or friend would have responded. As for the AWOL comment my theory is he has tanks the money and run leaving his partner behind to keep the hysteria down. My advice is find a friend or attorney in his hometown and open a small claim against the company so you are close to the front of the line.

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