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Old 01-27-2013, 08:15 AM
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Question Fishing gear recommendations

Hey, I just bought a bigger offshore boat and would like to get into it. What do i need as far a gear at a relatively good price, probably would get some used stuff. Fishing in south florida, would like to go for tuna, dolphin, reef fishing, and sail fishing.

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Old 01-27-2013, 03:33 PM
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Shimano and you won't go too far wrong. Buy it once and buy it properly and it will last a lot longer than the satisfaction of buying cheap.
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I'll be the first one to say it.

Shimano tld 30s. On a 6' rod, no roller guides (you Florida boys hate the roller guides). Best reel for the money.
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:59 PM
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For south Fla, I wouldn't hesitate to go with TLD 20 two speeds. But for a few more $'s you can get a Tyrnos 20 which has a faster retrieve ration, better for billfishing.

Take a look at the recent thread on "Best Sailfish Gear" or something like that. Lots of good info and some vallid but different optinions.

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"bigger boat" as in sticking within 20 miles of the gold coast or crossing the stream to the Bahamas?
Any interest in swording or high speed wahoo trolling?
Kitefishing?
High speed jigging?

If your answer is no (at this time) to the above, then you don't need 2 speed trolling reels or all roller rods.
TLD 20 or 25, Squall 40 or 50 will more than handle most everything you will encounter on this coast, put em on a 6' stand up rod, no rollers needed for 20-30lb mono. 4 or 5 of these setups will handle all of your trolling/bottom/livebait needs. Add a couple of 20lb class spinners (preferably with baitrunner feature) for pitching to targets of opportunity and a couple of 12-16lb spinners and you will be all set.

Used, good condition should run under a grand for all above, new can be done for under 2g's with all good quality gear spooled with mono out the door.
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AquaWhaler View Post
"bigger boat" as in sticking within 20 miles of the gold coast or crossing the stream to the Bahamas?
Any interest in swording or high speed wahoo trolling?
Kitefishing?
High speed jigging?

If your answer is no (at this time) to the above, then you don't need 2 speed trolling reels or all roller rods.
TLD 20 or 25, Squall 40 or 50 will more than handle most everything you will encounter on this coast, put em on a 6' stand up rod, no rollers needed for 20-30lb mono. 4 or 5 of these setups will handle all of your trolling/bottom/livebait needs. Add a couple of 20lb class spinners (preferably with baitrunner feature) for pitching to targets of opportunity and a couple of 12-16lb spinners and you will be all set.

Used, good condition should run under a grand for all above, new can be done for under 2g's with all good quality gear spooled with mono out the door.
I would agree with this except for kite fishing, where the faster retrieve speeds of some two speed reels are important.

Or a several dual use spinners with their faster retrieve speeds for kites and whatever else, in the 16-20lb class.

Roller guides are not required, as AquaWhaler pointed out, and in fact you don't want them for lighter tackle, they just get bent and stop rolling.

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Old 01-27-2013, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by JPK View Post
in fact you don't want them for lighter tackle, they just get bent and stop rolling.

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That's an interesting claim - why would you not want them for light tackle where your margins for error are proportionally smaller?

Don't think I've ever seen a roller stop because of a bend but I've seen plenty that are in desperate need of servicing - they are not set and forget.
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:06 AM
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With silicon carbide as an alternative you are not giving up much in terms of abrasion to the line during the course of a fight, and the silicon carbide are far, far better than rollers that don't roll. In addition, silicon carbide guides are much tougher than any other alternative. Further, roller guides are heavy compared to silicon carbide and to me they make a light rod handle poorly, and the long footpint and relatively stiff bridge makes a rod feel dead compared to one with silicon carbide guides.

Speaking of Aftco metal roller guides, as far as bending the smaller roller guides, yes, especially when the rods are removed from the boat following each trip, which with smaller boats is typical if not all but universal. Even the bigger guides get bent with some frequency.

On stand up 50's I think that the best set up is a top roller only and silicon carbide below that. For chair 50's I want all rollers.

80's or 130's, which should only be chair rods should have rollers.

Rollers today are almost care free, if properly washed along with the rest of the rod following each use, but they need occasional de-gunking. Nothing like the amount of maintenance rollers needed before the advent of the nylon bushings though.

Of all of the non rolling or stiff rollers I have seen, I would guess about half were because the roller frame was torqued or the ears that contain the rollers within the frame were bent.

If you have a roller guide that was working smoothly and then sometime later you need to back off the screw to make it roll freely, it is because either the frame got torqued or one of the ears got bent.

BTW, I like the Aftco lightweight roller guides for light tackle use, but they are almost univerally disliked by others and you almost never see them anymore. They are plastic and very light weight. With the exception of the stripper guide, they are also single footed, and so do not interfere with the rod's flex. While Aftco claims they are "virtually unbreakable" the line guide can and will come loose, and when it does the roller drops out. I have had more issues with the tip tops than the others. I have never had a problem while fishing, just discover the issue while doing pre-fishing checks. I think the line guide popping off and roller loss is due to the vibration when the boat is running allowing the guides to walk out of their recesses. I keep a set of four 16/20lb rods on my boat with the lightweight rollers on them, and the same four were on my last boat. An Aftco rep sent me a bag full of replacement parts to keep the guides working. Here's a link to the Aftco lightweight rollers guides. http://www.aftco.com/lightweight-rol...-1016-prd1.htm

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Good answer, thank you.
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If I had to choose just one setup my all around choice in south FL would be a Shimano Terez TZC66H rod (Pelagic outfitters is selling them here for for $199ea). And I'd go with the Penn Squall 40 lever drag rigged with 40# braid with a top shot of mono. If you ever fished with Terez rods you'd never go back to traditional rods ever again. They are much smaller and lighter. So choice!

My kite fishing setup would be different.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:04 AM
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Many guys on THT that can hook you up with nice rod/reel combos and anything else you'll need. I prefer Avet reels.

Guys I've bought from so far:

Killer&Griller (Craig) is extremely helpful and has great deals.

PelagicOutfitters is great too.

John_Madison CT hooked me up with some shark rigs.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:40 AM
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SHIMANO TLD 20's & TLD 25's Reels
Penn Spin Fisher V- ssv 7500 - spooled 300yds ANDE's Pink #20
UGLY STICK Rods
ANDE's Pink Mono #30 line
ANDE's LEADER #40 & #60 & #80 & #100
MUSTAD Ultra/Points J-Hooks- 2/0 - 4/0 - 6/0
MUSTAD Demon perfect circle-Hooks 6/0 - 8/0 - 9/0
MUSTAD 7/0 Trolling hook
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:56 PM
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There's a guy in Boca that always has nice TLD combos on Craigslist.

Or, check out Sailorman in Ft Lauderdale and you can come across some good used stuff from time to time.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:34 PM
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My starting set up:

4 TLD 25's with 30lb mono/ braid back
2 8500 Bait runner spinning 20 lb mono/braid back
2 12000 Bait runner spinning 20lb mono / braid back

Rods.. keep basic and light (er) to start.. add gear as necessary

Use until you feel like you need more.... good luck
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Originally Posted by MGR113 View Post
My starting set up:

4 TLD 25's with 30lb mono/ braid back
2 8500 Bait runner spinning 20 lb mono/braid back
2 12000 Bait runner spinning 20lb mono / braid back

Rods.. keep basic and light (er) to start.. add gear as necessary

Use until you feel like you need more.... good luck
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