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Old 06-04-2011, 07:22 AM   #1
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Default Braid to flouro leader connection

Guys what am I doing wrong. I'm trying to attach 15lb power pro to a 20lb flouro leader 0.45mm in diameter. I've tried an albright and a reverse knot and both keep hanging up in my rod guides it's just not a smooth knot. Is it my knot the flouro to thick or what?

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Old 06-04-2011, 07:25 AM   #2
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do a double uni knot, by far the strongest knot connecting this size leader to main line and it's a simple knot, and I have never had a problem with it hanging in my guides.
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Old 06-04-2011, 10:49 AM   #3
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Would the Red Philips knot work with line that size?
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Old 06-04-2011, 11:44 AM   #4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N0mCf0AIAA

The Sebile knot is the greatest braid to fluoro knot, IMO. It is very easy to tie if you are sitting at home on the couch, it might be a little tough out on the water though. I have never had one fail, and it doesn't hang up on the guides. All other knots I've seen will hang up a little.
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Old 06-05-2011, 05:25 AM   #5
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Uni to Uni 6 turns each side or a 3 turn Surgeons Knot is the easies .......

http://www.animatedknots.com/surgeon...matedknots.com

I use this knot on 15# PowerPro to 25# fluorocarbon on almost all rods for inshore fishing.
If you worried about the knot getting hung up in the guides, use a shorter leader & have the knot outside the top guide for long / smoother cast......
Hope this helps ...... ICM
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Old 06-05-2011, 07:06 AM   #6
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Bimini on the braid to uni on the flouro I might even think about having the tackle shop replace the tip with a new one one size larger, That shouldn't effect the castability and it will not hang up

You can tie the bimini on your foot with no problem then just take your time cinching the two down tight to each other.
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Old 06-05-2011, 07:13 AM   #7
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Phillips knot is great. I have never had a break there and goes through the guides better than anything else I have used.
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Old 06-07-2011, 04:57 AM   #8
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I like the slim beauty. Both tails of the knot face away from the guides on a cast.

The uni to uni is very strong but does not cast as well.

The albright is a slipper unless you tie off the flouro on the other side then it is good but still is a little catchy in the guides.

So the slim beauty is my favorite.
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:16 AM   #9
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I had the same question a few weeks ago. My next door neighbor was formerly a fishing guide with a Powerpro relationship. His suggestion was a reverse albright with 8 wraps on the braid. It works pretty well and can be tied quickly. The sebile knot referenced above looks pretty slick, though. I'll have to give that one a try. I hate the sound of the leader knot going through the guides!
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For light line the red phillips, a PR knot or a mid knot. Slim beauty is also a good connection. Red phillips is the easiest and takes a minute to tie. Also strong. The PR and mid are better knots IMO with the mid not needing a bobbin. I usually use the red philips in light applications myself.
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This is my opinion and not an instigation for debate.

Do not run a knot of any kind through a (non-roller) guide at any time.

It is my belief that knots traveling through non-roller guides are not good for the guide over time, particularly if you are hooked up to a hot fish.
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This is my opinion and not an instigation for debate.

Do not run a knot of any kind through a (non-roller) guide at any time.

It is my belief that knots traveling through non-roller guides are not good for the guide over time, particularly if you are hooked up to a hot fish.
you use rollers for 15# line? A little tought to cast.
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Old 06-07-2011, 08:31 AM   #13
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you use rollers for 15# line? A little tought to cast.
Where did I state anything about casting? Please point out where if I did.

I don't type in the invisible font.

Why do some of you folks make shit up or interpret what is NOT there?

The OP stated nothing about casting either, unless he too used the invisible font.

Do what you want. Put knots through the guides and sooner or later you are going to break or loosen an eye. This goes for casting as well fighting a fish.

I raised the roller vs. non-roller guide issue because using heavier gear with roller guides will tolerate a knot passing thorough, assuming the knot is matched to a level of acceptability for the guide to manage. If not, the knot will hang and may break the guide, the rod or the line or any combination thereof.
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Old 06-07-2011, 08:50 AM   #14
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I use a double uni for that connection. I only use about 18" of leader so I can keep the knot outside of my tip top when casting.

If you want to use a longer leader it might help to use heat shrink tubing over the knot. I haven't tried it so I can't tell you if it works for certain.
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Old 06-07-2011, 08:53 AM   #15
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If you want a good knot to learn try a Roddy Hayes / Bob Sands / Tony Pena knot, a Sebile knot, or a slim beauty... they will pass nicely through the eyes. Bimini is more complicated and weaker at 15#.

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Have always used a uni-uni knot but after reading a recent thread I have changed up to the Red Philips knot. It casts Beyer and is quicker to tie. Using it on 20-30 lb power pro to 30 lb Douro.
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Here's what I've learned from this site, and there's aload of great info here, practice your knots and use the ones your most comfortable with, Iv'e used many of the knots mentioned above, all very good and strong.
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Where did I state anything about casting? Please point out where if I did.

I don't type in the invisible font.

Why do some of you folks make shit up or interpret what is NOT there?

The OP stated nothing about casting either, unless he too used the invisible font.

Do what you want. Put knots through the guides and sooner or later you are going to break or loosen an eye. This goes for casting as well fighting a fish.

I raised the roller vs. non-roller guide issue because using heavier gear with roller guides will tolerate a knot passing thorough, assuming the knot is matched to a level of acceptability for the guide to manage. If not, the knot will hang and may break the guide, the rod or the line or any combination thereof.
Generally when I see someone asking about 15# line to 20# leader i assume they are casting, especially when guide hang up is an issue. when trolling the knot passes through the guides once when letting out the line in a controlled fashion, so your concern about breaking guides is unfounded. I also feel that all roller guides with the exception of perhaps heavy line applications is unwarranted, especially with the advances in ring guides in more recent years.

My fishing partners and i, including some who have more fishing experience than most of the posters on this board, have never had an issue you are describing. We have had a wind knot issue before that wrapped a guide (without breaking it) but not a knot.
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Here's what I've learned from this site, and there's aload of great info here, practice your knots and use the ones your most comfortable with, Iv'e used many of the knots mentioned above, all very good and strong.
100% agree with you on this one.
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:43 AM   #20
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I had some problems with connection from braid to fluorocarbon, to the point that I was going to not use braid anymore. I went on Youtube and checked out a bunch of line tying videos.
My new favorite connection knot is a spider hitch in the braid and then albright to connect to Fluoro.
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