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Old 06-03-2011, 09:05 AM   #1
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Default Straight Butt or Bent Butt -TLD 50W

I just pickup a Shimano TLD 50w and will be spooling it up with 200lb Dacron base, 130# JB holow core, 100yds Momoi 100lb mono top shot.
My angling consists of chunking for Texas Gulf YF with 60lb.floro.on top and trolling the rest of the time all being standup.
Just seeing what the different thoughts and applications are of the two different type rods which I have both of.
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Raymond,

Frankly I think you're overloading the TLD 50, but that's just my opinion. It's a 50lbs class reel and nothing more, so spooling with 100lbs line and heavier is just overkill.

If you're looking for x-tra line capacity, I'd spool it with 100lbs Jerry Brown hollow core with 200yds of 50lbs mono on top.

Just remember the TLD is a graphite reel and exceeding the max drag can, and I only say "can" cause performance problems. If you really think you need the extra heavy line, go with a Tiagra 50WLRS or similar reel.

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Thanks for the input Prop. This is my first 50W, all others have been Shimanos, TLD30W all the way down to the rare TLD5. Also purchased a 30-80 bent butt from one of the THT sponsers.
Any comparisons, opinions or like or dislikes on the bent butt rods?

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Old 06-03-2011, 01:27 PM   #4
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why not get stor a butts?

they are a little more to start but they allow you to use your rods in different ways

I have six trolling rods being built - 2 light, 2 med and 2 heavier - the med and heavy will have stora butts on them

give you a ton of options, honestly any rod that I have built over a 40+ pound rod will have stora butts on them.
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I just pickup a Shimano TLD 50w.
A TLD 50W? I did not think they made a "W" (wide) model TLD?
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Old 06-03-2011, 03:29 PM   #6
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Flvol77, you the man. Great thought. I'll look them up right now.

Thanks,

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Just general discription First light. From now on, so no confusion -Shimano 50 LRS Two Speed.
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I agree with the above, a TLD50wlrsa is a great reel and I have two that I love. But I don't think it can stand those heavy lines you plan on using. Then again for $250 less than the equivalent Tiagra model it may be worthwhile. I would suggest looking at a Ti50A ($579 at Tackledirect) which would give you about 1000yds of 80lb spectra and you can put any type of topshot you wish. I went the other way and bought two Ti30wlrsa's and two Ti30A's spooled with 80lb spectra and 150yd 80lb topshots (both +/- 1000yds total). The drag differences are negligible to me given the fact that the majority of fishermen can't handle anything above 25lbs of drag for more than 20 minutes standup anyway. My theory is to use line capacity to wear the fish down in conjunction with a "strong" drag setting that you are comfortable with.
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The advice given here is good. You are going to break the TLD with the # test line you are using. TLDs are good reels but designed for the class line as they are stated. If you want to use the class line you posted then get yourself an all metal frame reel.
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Get straight butts too. A bent butt has very limited applications despite their advantages in terms of leverage.
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I like the short bent butts best for trolling. I have two 50# class bent butts, one off each corner, and the rest of the spread is straight butt 30# gear. The short bent keeps the line angle low and still works well standup and with a fight belt.

Great for trolling big plugs, planers, in-line weights, spreaders, anything heavy or that has better action pulled straight off a bent butt with no bounce in the rod tip.

I fish mine with live bait and chunk baits, too. It's a little different rod angle, but easy to get used to. I'm so used to it now that I can put a lot more heat on big fish with the short bent because of the flatter rod angle than I can with a straight butt. Especially when they are deep or under the boat.
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what others have said about the TLD not being able to handle the drag settings for the heavy line are correct, plus your braid will wind up costing more than the reel! I only fish stand up, and only use bent but for my flat lines as I find my lures run better off a lower rod tip. All others are straight butt as they are easier (my opinion) to use as stand up
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The LRS or LRSA versions of the TLD-50 are made to be used with 80# test. Shimano only lists the line capacity in 80# test so they must be very confident in the reels ability to hold up to it.
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the A series is supposed to be stronger to eliminate the cracking at the reel seat issue. I have 3 of them on my boat and have caught lots of gulf yellowfin up to 200lb on mine. I run 100lb JB solid to 60 or 80lb flouro. I inspect mine with a flashlight after every trip looking for hairline cracks where the seat meets the frame. I found a crack last year on one I had since 1998 and Jimmy at proffesional sport shop in new orleans warrantied it for me. he didn't have to and that's one reason he gets my business.

he said overtightening the rod clamp can weaken the frame and pulling on them in a harness with 25lbs+ of drag isn't good either.

for what the OP wants to do the TLD will work fine - I would go with a straight butt.



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I've got both kinds of Aftco short butts, the problem with the bent ones is the rod holder. Unless you have the special shallow rod holders, intended for these butts, installed on your boat, you will have the following options. One is an extender that goes inside a standard swivel rod holder, made by So-Lo. If you don't have swivel rod holders, use an extender that has a swivel built in, sold by Melton for big $. Or you can do what most people do, buy the Aftco Extend-a-butt. These are simple extensions that allow use with standard depth rod holders. They are very expensive and easily lost, but are usually a necessity. It's tough to get a rod that has a fish on it out of them without losing the Extend-a-butt. The short bents do afford increased leverage (with a harness and gimbal), but aren't worth the trouble unless the boat has the special rod holders installed. If one should put the bent butt rod into a standard rod holder it will get badly scratched and be easily lost.
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On my Shimano tld 50 2 speeds I use 80 lb. braided dacron with top shot of 80 lb clear Ande mono. Iīve caught tuna and marlin no problems. I donīt know any thing about bent butt rods.
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Old 06-04-2011, 12:27 PM   #17
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I want to thank all of you for the input that you have shared.. The gulf has finally laid down enough to make a run (120-157 miles for Texas waters) .

Best to all,

Rayman

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The Fishn Magician
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I use the short bents with no special anything and no rod holder problems on the 10 or 12 different boats I've used them on, and no harness, just a fight belt, and most of the time not even that. Even high-speeding I have had no problems.

It does have some faint scratches, the same as my straight butt rods out of the same holders.
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My Wayne Beal 36 has CJ rod holders, which are intended for standard 80 and 130 bent butts. The other boat I fish is a 47 Viking which also has deep rod holders. I like my rods to have a good lock on the swivel. My short bents flopped around and got scratched if no extender was used.
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