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Old 05-25-2011, 11:00 AM   #1
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Default Tld 25 vs. Avet hxw

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I have a tld 25 that i got about 4 or 5 years ago and it was used once but we didnt catch anything. I got the reel when i was young (and stupid, having it spooled with 100 lb. line on a 40-100 rod) and didnt research well enough before getting it. I am fishing more often now and really getting into it and know a ton more than i used to. I have read alot about tld's and graphite frames breaking when fished too hard. My main target species are dolphin, tuna, wahoo, shark, and kings which can all get pretty big in my area. So after all my rambling heres my question, would I be better off selling my tld and getting metal framed reels like the avet hxw (which is also made in the u.s.)? I just dont want to push the reel too hard with a big fish and have it break. I'm hoping you guys can help solve my dilemma. (p.s. it will be one reel to start with being i dont have my own boat yet.)

Let me here your opinions and thanks in advance.
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They are very different reels, with the TLD-25 selling for $180 and the HXW seeling for $430. I have both (actually just an HX). The TLD's are great if 10 lbs of strike drag is what you want/need (we fish them trolling for Stripers and Bluefish with 40 lb line and they work great), while the HX's will handle 20 lbs of drag all day long. My HX's are used for BF Tuna jigging and the biggest one we caught last year with it was about 170 lbs. For trolling they would be great to, but I use mostly Penn Internationals in the 16, 30, 50 & 70 sizes for that.

I personally wouldn't consider using the TLD's for big fish, as I know a buch of guys with the TLDII-30's that have had them explode (frame failure) on decent fish with the drag cranked up. Sell it and by either an HXW (or Raptor version) or some other similar aluminum framed, lever drag reel
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Old 05-25-2011, 11:40 AM   #3
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They are very different reels, with the TLD-25 selling for $180 and the HXW seeling for $430. I have both (actually just an HX). The TLD's are great if 10 lbs of strike drag is what you want/need (we fish them trolling for Stripers and Bluefish with 40 lb line and they work great), while the HX's will handle 20 lbs of drag all day long. My HX's are used for BF Tuna jigging and the biggest one we caught last year with it was about 170 lbs. For trolling they would be great to, but I use mostly Penn Internationals in the 16, 30, 50 & 70 sizes for that.

I personally wouldn't consider using the TLD's for big fish, as I know a buch of guys with the TLDII-30's that have had them explode (frame failure) on decent fish with the drag cranked up. Sell it and by either an HXW (or Raptor version) or some other similar aluminum framed, lever drag reel
I agree with LI. The TLD can get the job done but your pushing it.. The Avet will serve you better on the BFT in the 100lb + Range.. Please let me know if I can halp you further.
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Old 05-25-2011, 12:29 PM   #4
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Tld 25 is for line up to 40 lbs/13 lb max drag setting.

I would look at an Avet30 for 100 lb class tackle
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Old 05-25-2011, 01:39 PM   #5
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I personally wouldn't consider using the TLD's for big fish, as I know a buch of guys with the TLDII-30's that have had them explode (frame failure) on decent fish with the drag cranked up. Sell it and by either an HXW (or Raptor version) or some other similar aluminum framed, lever drag reel
That is what I figured and I dont mind selling the tld and spending a few more bucks on a stronger reel but I do have a problem with pushing the tld and having to dish out the extra money for a new one. But like i said i was young when i got it and didnt understand alot about fishing (i thought you needed 100lb line to catch a hundred lb fish) but I have alot better understanding now and think I will go with the hxw or the hxw raptor. And will do terminator tackle.

One more thing does anyone have any experience with these? I have contacted avet multiple times but they havent gotten back to me and I am curious as to how well they cast being they are the only model without the MC option.
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I d stay with the tld...I've got spannish to blue marlin on them...or keepnthe tld and buy the avet...
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Avet now makes a HXW single speed that lists for $309.00. If you don't need a 2 speed reel I would consider it. I plan on purchasing 2 as soon as money allows.
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Avet now makes a HXW single speed that lists for $309.00. If you don't need a 2 speed reel I would consider it. I plan on purchasing 2 as soon as money allows.
Think twice about that purchase, because I can tell you from experience, that with 18 lbs of drag and a full spool of line, some of my crew can barely crank the HX in low gear, and no-one can crank it in high gear.

As to the OP, on the issue of casting, its like most lever drag aluminum spool reels - adequate; you won't mistake it for a good baitcaster or a Newell.
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Think twice about that purchase, because I can tell you from experience, that with 18 lbs of drag and a full spool of line, some of my crew can barely crank the HX in low gear, and no-one can crank it in high gear.

As to the OP, on the issue of casting, its like most lever drag aluminum spool reels - adequate; you won't mistake it for a good baitcaster or a Newell.
Your kidding right?? Guys are running coffee grinders that are faster line pick up at 25# and up on Tuna in the 200-300# range
LI try an acid wrapped rod it will help.
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I got two of the HXW single speeds about 4 months back and have been pleased with them. We just got back from a bahamas trip and got a 100lb white marlin and numerous school size yellowfins on them and the reels performed great.
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Love our Tlds we now use them strictly for White Marlin Fishing. Never an issue with them they are a perfect match for Sails and Whites. That being said we have caught Dolphin and tuna with them as well with no problems. A few years ago I did the Alantani upgrades to all six 25s and they are even better now. Larger handle, Carbon drag washers extra Bellavilla Washer for a little more drag... Smooth as silk....Mark
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For a little more money $559.00 you can get a Avet HXW Raptor 40lbs drag @strike 50 locked up, a 1:8 low gear and never any side load on bearings. Well worth it and light enough to hold all day.
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Hey guys,

...after all my rambling heres my question, would I be better off selling my tld and getting metal framed reels like the avet hxw (which is also made in the u.s.)? I just dont want to push the reel too hard with a big fish and have it break. I'm hoping you guys can help solve my dilemma. (p.s. it will be one reel to start with being i dont have my own boat yet.)

Let me here your opinions and thanks in advance.
Finding a better all-around saltwater trolling reel than the TLD 25 will be difficult -- factor in the cost and you won't. You just need to fish it as it was intended.

The Internet reports of TLDs cracking under pressure are primarily from folks fishing the TLD 2-speeds out of SoCal on Long Range trips where they've been spooled with 80lbs braid and fished with intent of stopping 100lbs tuna from an anchored boat. Definitely not what the reels were designed or built to do.

Spool it with 30lbs good quality mono like Momoi Hi-Catch (not Diamond) or Ande Tournament and have a ball catching Dolphin, Wahoo, Sailfish, King Mackerel, White Marlin (every year, Blue Marlin are caught using TLD 25's here in FL. -- not 600lbs, but 150-200lbs certainly). Match it to a 6' or 6'6" rod rated for that line class and have a great time.

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Old 05-26-2011, 03:43 PM   #14
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i have 2 walk the line on this issue cuz i have 5 tld 25s use them trollin but only 4 meat nothin needin alot of drag use penn int. 50 wide wen dragin expresses or lead big in-line lead high speed trollin now ive done sum hi-speed on the 25s & had to bottom out on drag & n e time u put sumthin 2 the test @ 100% ur gonna b @ high risk of reel failure they do break & come apart so use the 25s on the spread u dont need all the drag a bigger test line wer switched 2 braid still use reel on shock leader but u can run way more lbs of test & get less line drag & puts more action on ur baits & lures u dont have 2 b rich 2 get penns even those guys otta angry wife that hates fishin sum make em give it up & u get everthing 4 one good price or have patience grass-hopper if ur 8 up with fishin like most of us here u have time 2 work the pawn shops for sum poor basterds reels that got stolin off the boat or (dumb basterd 4 leavin them on the boat & not locked inside n a closet out of the weather it happens took me a year 2 put 2gether a shiny happy gold penn spread patience grass-hopper or also consider tiagra shimmono ask 4 u buy if ur worried only other good piece of advice i have is NEVER trust a woman or a fart (may the fish b with u all)
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One of the guys down at my marina (the boat next to me) had a tld 25 that he uses for white marlin. He was out in the Mid-Atlantic $500,000 last year and hooked up with a 700+ lb blue marlin first thing in the morning. About 8 and a half hours later the fish finally broke away because of the line snapped (40lb test). Great reels looking a buying a set of them for blues and trolling. I have tld 20s, 30s, and tiagras all great and i love shimano.
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i have 2 walk the line on this issue cuz i have 5 tld 25s use them trollin but only 4 meat nothin needin alot of drag use penn int. 50 wide wen dragin expresses or lead big in-line lead high speed trollin now ive done sum hi-speed on the 25s & had to bottom out on drag & n e time u put sumthin 2 the test @ 100% ur gonna b @ high risk of reel failure they do break & come apart so use the 25s on the spread u dont need all the drag a bigger test line wer switched 2 braid still use reel on shock leader but u can run way more lbs of test & get less line drag & puts more action on ur baits & lures u dont have 2 b rich 2 get penns even those guys otta angry wife that hates fishin sum make em give it up & u get everthing 4 one good price or have patience grass-hopper if ur 8 up with fishin like most of us here u have time 2 work the pawn shops for sum poor basterds reels that got stolin off the boat or (dumb basterd 4 leavin them on the boat & not locked inside n a closet out of the weather it happens took me a year 2 put 2gether a shiny happy gold penn spread patience grass-hopper or also consider tiagra shimmono ask 4 u buy if ur worried only other good piece of advice i have is NEVER trust a woman or a fart (may the fish b with u all)
Were you drunk when you wrote this or just illiterate.

And don't talk $hit about people getting stolen from when it's the low life pieces of $hit that that can't work for their own money that deserve a good ol ass whoopin. And good for you for buying stolen goods from pawn shops. Instead of spending your time looking for bargains on reels why don't you bust ass at work and then you can buy whatever reels you want.
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If you ever do any Sailfishing down south, TLD 15s and 20s are the routine. Charter boats down there catch thousands of Sails a year and never have problems with those reels.

The problems occur when people overload the systems. If a reel is rated for 20 pound line, use 20 pound line and set the drag at strike at 6 or 7 pounds. If rated for 30, the drag should be set at 10, and so on. Mess around by overloading on line weight and drag settings will overcome any machine's engineering.

An angler has to make a choice. Are you sport fishing or meat fishing? If you want to horse fish in, then have at it. Just use tackle designed to handle that kind of abuse.
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Tld's are great all around reels at a fair price. They have good line capacity, have fair drags which can be upgraded, have fair line retrieve rates, can be used for multiple species of pelagic fish. Most people will never hook a fish more than 20+lbs much less a 100+lb fish that will overload your tackle. Stick with what u got until you really need something heavier. Just cuz a few tld's have broken doesn't mean it happens all the time.
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Old 05-28-2011, 01:38 PM   #19
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I have thought about upgrading the drags on it but i dont see a point in it because imo it is unusable drag because i wouldnt want to put the drag any higher than 15 lbs at full anyway because of frame failure. Besides I am looking for a stronger reel like the hxw raptor (which is what im going to go with.) so i can put 25-30 lbs of drag if I have to on big fish. I understand not many people have problems with the TLD but IMO I think the TLD 25 is too big for its strength. it is only a little smaller than the hxw or a tiagra 30 but it cant handle anywhere near the amount of drag as either without breaking. but that is just my opinion. Thanks for all the advice everyone.
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