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Old 05-16-2011, 10:43 PM   #1
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Default New big game trolling outfits? 50W's or 80's?

I am almost strictly a sailfish guy and a good amount of deep-dropping and sword-fishing as well. Recently we stepped up to a larger boat and have been taking for Bahamas trips and now have the ability to do longer day runs and travel farther south in the islands. I'm looking to keep the light tackle I have and get some new heavy stuff for wahoo, tuna, swordfish, and the occasional marlin.

What I'm looking for is some new standup rods/reels that will cover a large range of game. Price is not as much of a concern as versatility; I'm willing to spend the extra $ so long as I can cover all my heavier tackle needs with 4-6 rods. Because everything needs to be standup, I've been considering 50 wides, something like 4 tiagra 50 wides and 2 80's.

I have been also looking at the avet TRX 50wides, as they have tons of capacity and more drag than a 130.

On a side note, I realize I cant put 100# of drag on a fish with a standup harness, but I did get smoked last night by a sword -spooled in 3 min- on a TLD 50 @ max drag (~42 lbs). I am still shaken about this and want to make sure I have tons of drag and capacity when I might need it .

I am open to all suggestions on brands and models. Just trying to keep quality, capacity, and max drag at the top on my concern list as these rods will try to be for everything from wahoo to tuna to marlin.
Thank you all in advance.

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Old 05-16-2011, 10:58 PM   #2
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id do exactly what you said but for me its avet reels, 4 50ws and 2 80ws, have the 50s spooled with 130lbs JB hollow and then spool the 80s with 200 lbs jb hollow, then do topshots of 100-200 yards of 80lbs on the 50s and then 130lbs on the 80s, i prefer momoi diamond line. you can even set up 1 of the 80s to be a planer reel/rod setup and then the other 80 will be your flat short corner with a big bait for the big blue and then use the 50s for the rest. As far as rods my personal choice first would be kevin knox at anglers envy rods, he does top notch work, and if not him then pinnacle marine or connelly rods. hope this helps.
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also, wondering how many outfits I would need to cover everything ( to insure I am covered on a couple week trip to the islands)

thanks again
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id do exactly what you said but for me its avet reels, 4 50ws and 2 80ws, have the 50s spooled with 130lbs JB hollow and then spool the 80s with 200 lbs jb hollow, then do topshots of 100-200 yards of 80lbs on the 50s and then 130lbs on the 80s, i prefer momoi diamond line. you can even set up 1 of the 80s to be a planer reel/rod setup and then the other 80 will be your flat short corner with a big bait for the big blue and then use the 50s for the rest. As far as rods my personal choice first would be kevin knox at anglers envy rods, he does top notch work, and if not him then pinnacle marine or connelly rods. hope this helps.
Thanks for this. So you have 6 total? any backups?
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I'd do the same with 4 50's and the 2 80's all on short bent butt acid wrapped rods. I'm also an Avet fan. The only thing I would change is instead of 80# on the 50's 130 Jinkia. It's a thin 130# line but very good.
For the 80's a 1200yd spool of JB 130 fits nicely with a 150 yd topshot of 130# overtest mono. (P-Line)
If you want more rods in your spread I'd go 30wides. As many as you see fit. Spool with 600yds of 80# braid and 100yd topshot of 80# mono (suffix superior or diamond) The 30's of today will handle any fish under 400# with ease with just reasonable boatwork on the troll. Deepdroping I'd stick to heavy gear you don't have a good angle and you may not have enough line on the spool to get it with the smaller reels.
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Go with 50 wides or even 30 wides unless you have a good chance of tangling with a marlin over 500 or a tuna over 100, 80's with heavy rods and lines is overkill. If you are deep dropping or bait fishing, the heavy rigs are clunky to handle. Most of the fish you catch will be small and it is more fun with light tackle.
You got spooled on your TLD because you didn't have enough line capacity and you won't with all mono unless you upgrade to heavy reels, with heavy drag settings. I would like to catch a swordie but never have. I have read that they have soft mouths and you run the risk of pulling the hook with lots of drag. Better to let the fish run and chase it if you have to.
Load up with spectra and put a 150 yard top of 50 on the 50's and 40 on the 30's. You will have over 1000 yards of capacity on your reels. On Cazador we have caught Pacific sails up to 150, blue marlin up to 400 and wahoo and YFT up to 75 on these rigs fishing standup. Since ditching all mono, we have never been spooled.
Last year we even caught a 51 pound wahoo on a Torium 40 and a jigging rod. We had 800 yards of 60 lb spectra and a 100 yard top shot of 40 lb. It ran out nearly all of the line twice but we landed it.
Use Jinkai. It is pricey but worth it. An ultra premium line resists nicks and abrasions and is a pleasure to spool on the reel.
I fish 10 lbs of drag with 40 lb line and 12 with 50's. The more line you have in the water the more drag you have from friction. The fish is working against this heavy drag. If your drag settings are too high, even smaller fish will break you off if there is a lot of line in the water.
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Yep, that's good advice from Cazador--very few people can use an 80 standing up for very long, and even 50s will wear you out pretty fast unless you've got experience and a good harness. Stick to 30s and 50s for trolling and you'll be a lot happier. I don't swordfish but I'd guess a 50 with braid and a mono topshot would have plenty of string for all but the biggest ones.
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50's are plenty big. I'm a Montauk charter fisherman and have caught a 600lb+ bluefin, 200+lb yellowfins, and large swords (doubles and triples) on 50's. We spool them with 100# and have them mated to Tunastick rods and have never had a problem. All this while trolling. We have the old TW's Int'l 2's.

We sometimes run deep canyon baits, and in those cases we use 80's/130lb.

I always prefer the 50's due to size and the weight, and I'm a strong guy. I only use the 80's occasionally since they're awkward. The 50's are light and nimble. Just a side note, I've been stripped about 3-4 times on 30's/60lb by large tunas (We think)
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For our Billfishing we run 4-50w2s on the riggers and 1-802s down the middle. Meat fishing we run 30s and 50s...Mark
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For reels, you probably won't do better than the Accurate ATD series. The quality of the design and finished product is frankly better than Penn, Shimano or Avet. Of the other three, I'd go Shimano, followed by Penn, then Avet. Why you ask. Simple. Serviceability.

If you're over in the islands or really anywhere, Shimano parts are common. Penn are the most widely distributed reels out there, so parts and finding someone to work on them is fairly easy. Not so for Avet. Good reels -- yes. But it does you no good if your Avet 50 TRX has a problem and you're running out of Marsh Harbor for a hot bite.

As far as setups go, I'd go with 4x50W's and 2x30W's to start. I'd set up two of the 50Ws with wire line for wahoo trolling with monel and two with 50lbs mono for "regular" trolling. The 30W's would be your light stuff.

The only other thing I can think of that you might consider is getting two Penn 70VSWs. To my understanding, they're basically 80's fitted into 50W frames.

If you're truly and OCD fisherman, once you get the reels and figure out how you want to use them, call Cal Sheets at Cals 2-Speed in CA to have them smooth them out. He works on all the above mentioned brands. http://www.cals2speed.com

If you go with the Accurates, send them back annually for a service (I believe it's included in the price of the reels).

Have fun!

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Cap,
I can build you your Rods with Calstar Boomer Blanks and all aftco Components. I can also color match any reel..

The TR-X is a great choice as well.. I'll shoot you a PM now.
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