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Outrigger Tag line Returns vs. Traditional set ups

Old 03-02-2011, 02:22 AM
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Default Outrigger Tag line Returns vs. Traditional set ups

my experience with outriggers is pretty limited but i've seen both types in action and the use of the weighted tag line returns seem to be superior and much faster than the traditional set-up (clothes line type).

It's not just the speed in getting your gear set, but the reduced slack in the line when a fish bites which may make a big difference.

Any input from outrigger experts to which set-up may be better in most conditions/situations?
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Old 03-02-2011, 05:20 AM
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I dont like tag lines I like the little bit of a drop back after the rigger pops. If you are billfishing it gives the fish a chance to turn awy with the bait before the hook is set. Thats just a personal observation............Mark
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I dont like tag lines I like the little bit of a drop back after the rigger pops. If you are billfishing it gives the fish a chance to turn awy with the bait before the hook is set. Thats just a personal observation............Mark
I plan on using outriggers this coming tuna season and would appreciate it if someone can provide a description of both setups. What exactly is the difference? Also, is it OK to replace the SS downrigger cable with Braid? Thank you.
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I plan on using outriggers this coming tuna season and would appreciate it if someone can provide a description of both setups. What exactly is the difference? Also, is it OK to replace the SS downrigger cable with Braid? Thank you.
as mentioned earlier, i don't know much about outriggers, but i do know lot when it comes to downriggers. I replaced my SS cable a couple years ago (usually got about 2-3 seasons on a SS cable before replacing em) with Scotty Dyneema braid (the PPro 200# downrigger braid is also very popular here and costs less than the Scotty, but was not available when i switched to braid). I will not go back to SS cable on my downriggers, Braid is far superior in almost every way. Only those die hard believers in the positive charge control of the line (voltage black box) will keep the SS cable. The Scotty braid shows minimal wear after 3+ seasons and handles so much better. zero voltage down the line suites me just fine.
If you've had SS cable for a while, remember to replace the pulley when switching to braid as the worn pulley on tip end of the arm is usually the culprit to pre-mature braid line breaks.
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You need the SS cable on the Cannon downriggers if your going to use the auto retrieve function.
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Old 03-02-2011, 06:23 PM
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bc22 great question
Will watch this thread with interest. I run my new outriggers off the t/top for the first time last weekend. Using release clips as these were already fitted. Had 3 knockdowns on the outriggers and landed all 3. I have tag line setups ready to attach, but after last weekend, I'm unsure if to put them on or not...
Would love to read more pros and cons for each setup.
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Old 03-02-2011, 06:26 PM
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I use a tag line set up for high speed Wahoo trolling. Otherwise I stay with a traditional line.
The extra gear of the tag line gets in the way when you troll at normal speeds.
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Old 03-02-2011, 08:17 PM
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First you need to answer a few questions:

1 - What are you fishing for?
2 - what are you fishing with? Lures or bait
3 - what outriggers do you have? length and style(t-top,gunwale or s/f mount)
4 - what size boat?
5 - how many lines will you use?
6 - are you experienced at dropping back to fish?
7 - how many people will there be fishing with you?

there are many set-ups that can be used and all of them work for their intended uses. the thing you need to figure out is the right set-up for your intended use and experience.

fishing rigged bait will be better without tag lines. Fishing Lures on heavy line is best suited for tag lines. design and length of rigger will dictate how much drop back you will have with and without tag lines. Give us enough information for an informed answer and always ask the question why someone is doing something after they tell you how to do it. many fishermen have learned how with out knowing why and may give you info that is correct for one thing but not accurate for others.
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great ans sanchoco,
seems to fit my limited experience which was slow trolling live ballyhoo on a traditional set-up (4 lines, gunnel outriggers) and hi-speed (8-9 knots) trolling lures (resin heads) from tag lines on s/f mt outriggers.

either set-up seems to be a lot of work for the captain if he is without a good crew or deckhand or autopilot.
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Originally Posted by AlexisMarie View Post
I plan on using outriggers this coming tuna season and would appreciate it if someone can provide a description of both setups. What exactly is the difference? Also, is it OK to replace the SS downrigger cable with Braid? Thank you.

Tag Lines:

http://www.thaifishingguide.com/fish...s/tagline.html
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I'm reading Tread Bartas book the best and worst of Bart's. It goes in to details about his porcupine trolling spread for big eye tuna. Every thing is trolled off a rigger and he uses tag lines on most setups. Its a little excessive with 4 outriggers and 3 center riggers but I like the setup. He talks highly of the tag line setup for that app.
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Originally Posted by bc22 View Post
either set-up seems to be a lot of work for the captain if he is without a good crew or deckhand or autopilot.
If you are fishing with out an experienced crew you will want to keep things as simple as possible. once you get used to fishing a particular set-up there should not be much work involved in setting out and clearing lines. For bait fishing I prefer not to twist or attach the line to the clip in any way. just let it run through the clip so the clip can be moved to the up position while the line is being let out. One of the keys to making riggers easy is designing them so that they are easy to get to and not in your way. if you need 2 hands to move your halyards they are not set-up correctly. On my contender with t-top riggers I have the halyards running thru eyes on my t-top and then under it. this allows the person driving the boat to just reach above his head and pull a clip up or down as needed. This also eliminates any lines to the gunwale that will be in your way when fighting a fish from the bow. because of the short amount of drop back from the non-tag line setup on my contender w/15ft riggers I do not use tag lines. On larger boats, standard S/F design or express, you will have a larger rigger and therefore might need tag lines as there will be to much bropback from a standard clip if you are fishing lures.

just like anything else practice using your set-up makes everything easier. If you only use it 3 or 4 times a year it will always be more difficult than if you use it 25-30 times a year. the more you fish it will become second nature to you.
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Wow, I had never heard of tag lines until reading this thread. Thanks to DWCurry for posting the info link.
I think I may be forgetting thinks faster than I am learning them!
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