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Old 03-01-2011, 10:57 AM
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The following came from an interview about fishing in the keys...



http://www.soundingsonline.com/news/...in-boats-herum



Q: Since you've been in the Keys, how has the fishing population changed?
A: Well, the bay, Florida Bay, is a shadow of what it once was. It's on the verge of collapse as far as I'm concerned. Unless you're a guide and have some niche, it's very difficult to locate and catch fish. Ocean-side, of course, it's a lot easier. But the fishing is not what it was. It's steadily gone downhill. There are some highlights. Sail fishing is still really good in the Keys. The dolphin fishing is nothing like it used to be here. [The depletion] has a lot to do with what goes on in other countries that border these waters - they kill everything that swims and send it to market. Bottom fishing has been beat down pretty hard. A lot of captains put their clients on amberjack, a big fish that fights hard. Well, basically we've gone from routinely catching 50-, 60-, 70-pounders to catching today a 20- or 30-pounder. That's where we're going.
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Old 03-01-2011, 11:05 AM
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Not much different up here either. I caught about 200 fluke (summer flounder) last year. None were legal size.
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Old 03-01-2011, 05:59 PM
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Not to hijack the thread but I'm curious where you were fishing for flounder. We've had some good years lately in VA...larger fish than 10 years ago, and plenty of legal ones (over 19.5) inches too. The bigger ones move out to sea sometime in May/early June, and then are around wrecks in August - Sept.
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From his interview:

Q: Give me an example.
A: A pump is rated for some particular flow rate - 500, 1,000, 2,000 gallons per minute. But the rating in some cases comes from using the pump in a way that you never would in the real world. It's an open-flow rating with the pump sitting in water, with no hose attached, nothing connected to the pump. It's a joke....

I would love to see a mountable bilge pump that would fit on a center console boat that would pump 1,000 or 2,000 gallons in a minute. I am thinking he got his units of time messed up, I hope.

Again from him:
Q: Since you've been in the Keys, how has the fishing population changed?
A: Well, the bay, Florida Bay, is a shadow of what it once was. ..... The dolphin fishing is nothing like it used to be here. [The depletion] has a lot to do with what goes on in other countries that border these waters - they kill everything that swims and send it to market. .....

Please, what countries other than Cuba border Florida, or the East Coast, waters that would be fishing inside of the EEZ? In the gulf its "possible" some central american boats "might" get far enough to affect the bottom fishing there, or maybe the dolphin fishing.

I dunno. I just get an alarmist feeling from him. Then again, I don't fish Florida Bay or the Keys on a regular basis, but, have had a deck hand for a summer that captains a skiff for tarpon/bonefish/snook on the gulf side of the upper keys and he hasn't mentioned any problems.

Just more ammunition for the "ban fishing" crowd from a perceived "expert".
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Originally Posted by capt_dalton View Post
From his interview:

Q: Give me an example.
A: A pump is rated for some particular flow rate - 500, 1,000, 2,000 gallons per minute. But the rating in some cases comes from using the pump in a way that you never would in the real world. It's an open-flow rating with the pump sitting in water, with no hose attached, nothing connected to the pump. It's a joke....

I would love to see a mountable bilge pump that would fit on a center console boat that would pump 1,000 or 2,000 gallons in a minute. I am thinking he got his units of time messed up, I hope.

Again from him:
Q: Since you've been in the Keys, how has the fishing population changed?
A: Well, the bay, Florida Bay, is a shadow of what it once was. ..... The dolphin fishing is nothing like it used to be here. [The depletion] has a lot to do with what goes on in other countries that border these waters - they kill everything that swims and send it to market. .....

Please, what countries other than Cuba border Florida, or the East Coast, waters that would be fishing inside of the EEZ? In the gulf its "possible" some central american boats "might" get far enough to affect the bottom fishing there, or maybe the dolphin fishing.

I dunno. I just get an alarmist feeling from him. Then again, I don't fish Florida Bay or the Keys on a regular basis, but, have had a deck hand for a summer that captains a skiff for tarpon/bonefish/snook on the gulf side of the upper keys and he hasn't mentioned any problems.

Just more ammunition for the "ban fishing" crowd from a perceived "expert".

Posted his comments about the keys, as i have heard the same from a a couple of guides and old timers in the keys and thought it was interesting. Can state that fishing in our region has declined.....Can't comment on his bilge pump comment but i can tell you that his comments about keeping everything they catch is pretty much on target in the Caribbean and central America. I have seen commercial boats pull into port and dump what you and i would use for bait on the dock..Not unusual to dive what should be good reefs only to find small tropicals. He is a guide so i don't think he was advocating for fish closures, only his personal opinion. Finally we have a fairly good Spanish mackerel run for a couple of months and i see most boats catching and keeping everyone they catch, whether they meet the legal limit or not. Got to wonder how much of that gets wasted...IMO each year the numbers have become smaller. I just think a bit of common sense and taking only what you can eat attitude is not too much to ask...as to your deckhand not mentioning a decline, how old is he? Someone who hasn't fished an area for say, over 20 years or so might consider fishing in the keys to be outstanding? But the old timers know it may not be as good..
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Originally Posted by nauticalwheeler View Post
Not to hijack the thread but I'm curious where you were fishing for flounder. We've had some good years lately in VA...larger fish than 10 years ago, and plenty of legal ones (over 19.5) inches too. The bigger ones move out to sea sometime in May/early June, and then are around wrecks in August - Sept.
We fish out of Manasquan Inlet, NJ. We'll fish the river b4 the inlet and out front. One day 2 of us caught about 20 fish in 1 hour, none legal. We then moved out in the ocean, to the reefs and some other spots, they were smaller out there. that same pattern continued for us 4-5 other times. We salvaged the days with sea bass and bluefish but, fluking was bad. 2 years ago we were in a small fluke tournament. Three men caught 1 keeper (18 1/4") all day. We were embarrased to go to the weigh in. We took 2nd place. It could have been the fishermen and not the fish. We did do well with bass last year though.

Oceanluvr, sorry for the hijack. We covered a lot of miles from the Fla. Keys to NJ.
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I am not sure what the problem is but dolphin fishing off of stuart is an absolute joke the past 3 or 4 years. people get excited when they catch 4 phins about 5 lbs a piece if someone catches a 20lber it makes the front page of the paper
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I don't know about the state of the dolphin fishery vs. the past, but I have always heard about dolphin that they:
1) are very fast growing fish and grow to 20 lb in one year
2) have a max lifespan of 5 years (like even the 80+ lb specimens)
3) are very prolific breeders
4) are not in any danger of being overfished
5) have a huge range, not just near offshore but over much of the subtropical ocean surface even hundreds of miles offshore and well out of the range of the typical low budget Central American fleets.

Is any of that not true?

I'm not saying that local overfishing can't hurt them, but am wondering if there's some other factor involved like bait being more scarce, or them just moving somewhere else due to conditions being better elsewhere?
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Originally Posted by nauticalwheeler View Post
I don't know about the state of the dolphin fishery vs. the past, but I have always heard about dolphin that they:
1) are very fast growing fish and grow to 20 lb in one year
2) have a max lifespan of 5 years (like even the 80+ lb specimens)
3) are very prolific breeders
4) are not in any danger of being overfished
5) have a huge range, not just near offshore but over much of the subtropical ocean surface even hundreds of miles offshore and well out of the range of the typical low budget Central American fleets.

Is any of that not true?

I'm not saying that local overfishing can't hurt them, but am wondering if there's some other factor involved like bait being more scarce, or them just moving somewhere else due to conditions being better elsewhere?
In fact dolphin populations have been declining due to long-liners...the following is from a CCA Florida Chapter article. Note this was an older article from early 2000 but i recall just reading about this ongoing issue in I think Florida Sportsman. Where once dolphin on the menu was confined to coastal Florida restaurants and perhaps GA and SC, it is now on restaurant menus everywhere in the country...you got to ask where is the fish coming from and how long can the population sustain itself so that they do not go the way of the sword fish and red fish when they become standard fare on restaurant menus. Both of which have made recoveries but i don't think to the levels they once were...? Are dolphin being farmed? Have not read anywhere about that...

http://www.ccaflorida.org/press_rele...-25-00_pr.html

"In the past few years a number of commercial longline boats, faced with reduced populations of swordfish and tuna, have begun to directly target dolphin, landing up to 28,000 pounds per trip"
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That article you cited says they were adopting a preemptive policy to prevent overfishing before it occurred.

Also according to NOAA (see link below) they are not overfished, and there is a preventative management plan in place for long liners to cap commercial harvest. The following site also confirms all of the points I was making above.

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/fishwatch/s...olphinfish.htm

I know people catch a bunch of larger dolphin off of SC and NC in June. Plenty of 15-25 lb fish.
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Originally Posted by nauticalwheeler View Post
That article you cited says they were adopting a preemptive policy to prevent overfishing before it occurred.

Also according to NOAA (see link below) they are not overfished, and there is a preventative management plan in place for long liners to cap commercial harvest. The following site also confirms all of the points I was making above.

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/fishwatch/s...olphinfish.htm

I know people catch a bunch of larger dolphin off of SC and NC in June. Plenty of 15-25 lb fish.

I did not post that to debate the issue...simply thought it was interesting coming from a guy who makes his living fishing. My own personal experiences, after living and fishing in Florida all my life is that it is not as good as it used to be..just my opinion and personal observation. And as i did mention, if there is more commercial demand to meet the restaurant industries needs then either the dolphin population is getting larger or more is being taken commercially, which would mean there are fewer or smaller for the recreation angler, unless i am missing something?
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The biggest problem we have with commercial fishing (not trying to hijack the thread) is the commericial fishing intrests control NOAA and NMFS therefore they will continues to spew data and psuedo facts in their favor. Until rec fisherman get better organized and funded we will continue to be a speed bump for commerical interests.
Look at the sucess that the fla net ban has done for inshore fishing even though illegal commercial netting and fishing still goes on in fla.

Then on top of all this 3rd world countires and asian countries could give 2 shits about proper fishery management. I was in Taiwan a few years ago and the fish of the day in a restaurant was a frkn carp or goldfish. thats what they are eating over there because they have no more fish. I went diving in Puerto rico, aruba, cayman the reefs were bleached. Now they will all bitch because they're starving .
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