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Old 02-25-2011, 05:39 PM
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Default What style swivel gunnel rod holder for bent butt rod?

I'd like to install some swivel rod holders for bent butt rods but I'm not sure what style (0, 15, or 30 degree) and brand I should purchase.

Pros and cons of the different angles?

I'll be fishing for shark and BFT.

Any advice and recommendations would be helpfull.

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Old 02-25-2011, 06:47 PM
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I like 0 for bent butts.
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Old 02-26-2011, 04:57 AM
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If you want to be able to fight large tuna or sharks out of the rod holder with your bent butt rods, get 0 degree and mount them close to the transom corners. Be certain that your gunwales are strong and put backing plates under the rod holders. Lee's makes nice heavy stainless ones in two sizes suitable for both long and short bent butts. If you get the ones for long butts, you can get a drop in adapter so they can be used with short bent butts.
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Old 02-26-2011, 05:54 AM
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If you are going to fight large fish out of the holder the 0 is your best bet. The CJ holders are significantly better than those from the bigger names in the business. They are beefier, they have wider flanges, the bolts are better spaced for strength, and they have nice backing plates with clips for your safety lines. Even with the CJ backing plates you should reinforce with a big chunk of something under the gunnel. At least 1/2 plywood, and 3/4 is better. If you don't do this you will see the fiberglass gunnels flex (and maybe rip out) when you have on a GBFT with max drag.

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Good topic to know. Getting a bent butt for a inline planner system for wahoo fishing here soon and will be changing out a rod holder for a swivel with a backing plate. Never used anything other than the standard 30 degree but if you use a bent butt with a 0 degree won't that act and have the same angle as a straight but in a 30 degree holder?
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LR I'm not sure I understand your question, but yes a bent butt in a vertical holder will give you about the same angle as a straight butt in a 30 holder,- but for one direction only. The whole purpose of the swivel is to let you keep the rod aimed at the fish as it runs. If the fish takes your bait from an outrigger, for example, the rod tip will swivel to aim at the fish and it will continue to track him, rather than having the line pull sideways on the rod tip. With a swivel holder you can also track parallel to a big fish in your boat and retrieve line a lot faster. If you have one mounted in or near the bow you can let the fish tow the boat and swing the rod through an arc of 270 if necessary. All this works best with a vertical rod holder. Likewise the rod and reel are in a better position for the angler to fight a fish out of the holder with a vertical. You can stand straight and apply more pressure. If you had a 30 degree swivel holder the reel is out over the side of the boat and you'll be straining your back a lot more to fight a big fish. Also you'll get some awkward angles with a 30 swivel holder. The bent butt rod would be almost horizontal when the rod is aimed in the same direction as holder. Conversely the rod will have you leaning over if it swivel at 90 degrees from the direction the 30 points. By the way, the point is pretty much moot if you are not planning on using heavy bent butt gear gear (80-130#) on big fish. I wouldn't waste my time and money on swivel holders if I didn't expect to a fight a big fish out of the holder.
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Guys,
Thanks... this is real helpful, sounds like the 90 or '0' degree is the way to go....
but ... 9" or 13" depth?
I haven't purchased the bent butts for my rods yet but
I wonder would the 13" put more of a strain on the gunnels?
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LR I'm not sure I understand your question, but yes a bent butt in a vertical holder will give you about the same angle as a straight butt in a 30 holder,- but for one direction only. The whole purpose of the swivel is to let you keep the rod aimed at the fish as it runs. If the fish takes your bait from an outrigger, for example, the rod tip will swivel to aim at the fish and it will continue to track him, rather than having the line pull sideways on the rod tip. With a swivel holder you can also track parallel to a big fish in your boat and retrieve line a lot faster. If you have one mounted in or near the bow you can let the fish tow the boat and swing the rod through an arc of 270 if necessary. All this works best with a vertical rod holder. Likewise the rod and reel are in a better position for the angler to fight a fish out of the holder with a vertical. You can stand straight and apply more pressure. If you had a 30 degree swivel holder the reel is out over the side of the boat and you'll be straining your back a lot more to fight a big fish. Also you'll get some awkward angles with a 30 swivel holder. The bent butt rod would be almost horizontal when the rod is aimed in the same direction as holder. Conversely the rod will have you leaning over if it swivel at 90 degrees from the direction the 30 points. By the way, the point is pretty much moot if you are not planning on using heavy bent butt gear gear (80-130#) on big fish. I wouldn't waste my time and money on swivel holders if I didn't expect to a fight a big fish out of the holder.
You pretty much answered my question there mcsea. Just wondering the differences between a 30 and a 0 degree just like rrboucher. Not trying to take this topic away from him but have been looking for similiar ideas. I am planning on fishing a tiagra 80 with a #16 planer on a bridle system for wahoo. Appreciate your help.
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Re 9"" v 13" choice: Take your rod and reel and hold it at about the height it would be above the gunnel and choose the height that is most comfortable for you to use. You don't want to have to bend over too much and put strain on your back, but neither do you want to be too high with the reel up under your chin. You really want to take some time to figure out where in the gunnel to place the holder, too. You don't want the holder in a place that won't work well through the whole swing arc (e.g. you don't want a placement that will let the rod swing into your outrigger lines or the radar arch I see in your boat picture). Good luck.
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MCSEA,
Thanks! Excellent answer....
so I still might use 9" swivel holder or 13" with a spacer with a 13" bent rod butt, I will jump in my boat and check the height before I order the rod holders and the rod butts.
I will use the backing plates and plywood and I think I will install as far aft as I can...
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When I added the backing plates for my swivel rod holders I went to the machine shop and had them cut me 1/4 metal backing plates instead of using the small metal plates that came with the swivel holders. The ones that went in the bow were 8 inch diameter circles and 4 x8 for the ones in the gunnels aft. Just thought they took more pressure without digging in to the fiberglass . The ones in the bow really work well for large tuna. Just point and follow or be towed. Just my personal opinion.

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Originally Posted by fishfindertackle View Post
When I added the backing plates for my swivel rod holders I went to the machine shop and had them cut me 1/4 metal backing plates instead of using the small metal plates that came with the swivel holders. The ones that went in the bow were 8 inch diameter circles and 4 x8 for the ones in the gunnels aft. Just thought they took more pressure without digging in to the fiberglass . The ones in the bow really work well for large tuna. Just point and follow or be towed. Just my personal opinion.

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I'll see what will fit in my gunnels... did you use 1/4 aluminum?
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Yes, I used 1/4 inch Alu. backing plates.

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Originally Posted by rrboucher View Post
Guys,
Thanks... this is real helpful, sounds like the 90 or '0' degree is the way to go....
but ... 9" or 13" depth?
I haven't purchased the bent butts for my rods yet but
I wonder would the 13" put more of a strain on the gunnels?
You want to make sure that your handle on the reel doesn't hit the gunnels, and you have room for your hand on the handle too. If they do, This will cause all sorts of problems when trying to fight the fish out of the holder.

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Capt. Joe,
I like your idea of having a swivel rod holder in the bow, how do you get work it around the railing?
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Originally Posted by pelagic hunter View Post
Capt. Joe,
I like your idea of having a swivel rod holder in the bow, how do you get work it around the railing?
There is no railing, you troll with it in the rear and after hook up you move it to the front holder.

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Here you go
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