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joemat 02-22-2011 06:22 AM

Kite Reels
 
I am getting my feet wet in Kite Fishing. Would I be better to go with a Penn 113H and adding an Elec-tra-Mate or just going with a Kristal XL601 ?? Any pros or cons?

Thanks

gtrfred 02-22-2011 07:29 AM

personally for kite fishing, i would not own an electric kite reel that did not also have the ability to manually crank.

i have had issues on numerous boats where we lost power for a bit or need to reel in a kite that was dumped in the water. when this happens, the ability to reel in at manual is a great feature. it also helps for rigging the reel at home.

if you are just starting out, i would suggest getting the manual penn reel. then after you realize that electrics are a great addition, you can upgrade and get a dolphin electric add on, that is bolted on to the reel and still gives you the manual cranking.

the diawa electrics are great and have the handle and krystal now offers a reel with a manual option.

the diawa's seem to be the reel of choice, but the intitial investmetn is $800. at the end of the day the dolphin is about the same price, but you can start with a plain reel and then upgrade to the electric, dividing the payment up once you decide if its a type of fishing you will do often.

joemat 02-22-2011 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by gtrfred (Post 3552307)
personally for kite fishing, i would not own an electric kite reel that did not also have the ability to manually crank.

i have had issues on numerous boats where we lost power for a bit or need to reel in a kite that was dumped in the water. when this happens, the ability to reel in at manual is a great feature. it also helps for rigging the reel at home.

if you are just starting out, i would suggest getting the manual penn reel. then after you realize that electrics are a great addition, you can upgrade and get a dolphin electric add on, that is bolted on to the reel and still gives you the manual cranking.

the diawa electrics are great and have the handle and krystal now offers a reel with a manual option.

the diawa's seem to be the reel of choice, but the intitial investmetn is $800. at the end of the day the dolphin is about the same price, but you can start with a plain reel and then upgrade to the electric, dividing the payment up once you decide if its a type of fishing you will do often.

Thanks. Any preference for the penn 113's to the 114's??

Rod27 02-22-2011 09:33 AM

i love my Daiwa Dendoh kite reel. I can do 2 things at once with it. It also has manual crank....might find one for around $600 on ebay or lightly used. Thats the only negative. Trust me....you do not want to manually crank a kite that is waaaaay out there.

Prop Blast 02-22-2011 11:46 AM

Some good advice so far.

Start with the manual reel that is "covertable" to power, i.e. Electra-Mate.

For manual cranking, the reel with a lower gear ratio is easier, so the 114H will be more manageable than the 113H. I've cranked both, and don't see too much improvement with 114H, but it is noticable.

Best advice is to Call Capt Harry's Tackle in Miami -- SE FL is the home of kite fishing here in the U.S. and they're great with explaining the whole deal.

PB

gtrfred 02-22-2011 12:04 PM

definitely go with the 114h. the bigger the better

RocknReeln 02-22-2011 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by joemat (Post 3552115)
I am getting my feet wet in Kite Fishing. Would I be better to go with a Penn 113H and adding an Elec-tra-Mate or just going with a Kristal XL601 ?? Any pros or cons?

Thanks

The Kristal has alot of maintenance and belt issues from what I heard. The Penn 114 AND 113 on an electramate, if bought new will run you about $100 to $200 less then the Daiwa Tanancom Bull with manual crank. I would bite the bullet and spend the extra money to have the manual crank feature on the Daiwa and it is a better setup then the Penn/Electramate. But, that assumes that you are buying new on the Penn/Electramate. You will save alot more on the Penn's and Electramate on here, craigslist, or CheapBay.

nexxxt214 02-22-2011 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by Rod27 (Post 3552623)
i love my Daiwa Dendoh kite reel. I can do 2 things at once with it. It also has manual crank....might find one for around $600 on ebay or lightly used. Thats the only negative. Trust me....you do not want to manually crank a kite that is waaaaay out there.


if your kite is wayyyy out there then you have lost the idea of kite fishing..... its to bring the fish next to the boat where your flat lines and ones below are located next time keep y our kites a little close:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Rod27 02-22-2011 04:44 PM

What's the downside of having baits at various locations to cover more ground? My closest clip IS close to the boat. My tyrnos holds 700 yards of line so I can.

airedog 02-22-2011 05:47 PM

If you are on a budget, the old Penn narrow spool reel like a Penn 149 or 349 is great. They are cheap retrieve ok because of the narrow spool and are well built, since they are often used with wire.Funny, but neither the kite nor the sailfish know how cheap you are!! Not trying to be insulting, I used a Penn 65 to ply my kite for a while, and loved it when I caught fish on my beat up old 20' Seacraft, while the battlewagons full of spiffy crew in matching khakis got skunked right in front of me......

nexxxt214 02-22-2011 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by Rod27 (Post 3553846)
What's the downside of having baits at various locations to cover more ground? My closest clip IS close to the boat. My tyrnos holds 700 yards of line so I can.

I run 2-3 kites, never more then 250 yards away. It makes it seem as if there is way more action on the surface. Assuming you run 3 clips per rod, I'd rather have 9 baits close together then 3 in 3 spots. Usually my flat lines get hit, I keep them rather close. I just know every captian I've ever met says that when they see kites far away they troll by and take the fish that are around the fish flapping.


But fish how you like, as long as you enjoy it:thumbsup:

gtrfred 02-22-2011 06:58 PM

if you think about it, its about 70-120 ft from the kite to the first clip. 50 -70 ft from #1 to #2 and another 50 - 70 ft from #2 - #3. plus whatever distance you run #3 from the boat.

however when there is a stiff wind of fishing 6 to 9 kite baits, the last thing you want to do is reel something else in by hand. when you can hit a button and walk away.

Rod27 02-22-2011 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by nexxxt214 (Post 3554103)
I run 2-3 kites, never more then 250 yards away. It makes it seem as if there is way more action on the surface. Assuming you run 3 clips per rod, I'd rather have 9 baits close together then 3 in 3 spots. Usually my flat lines get hit, I keep them rather close. I just know every captian I've ever met says that when they see kites far away they troll by and take the fish that are around the fish flapping.


But fish how you like, as long as you enjoy it:thumbsup:

I appreciate that.....maybe my "waaaaaay" back is your 250 yards. We are probably on the same page.

capt benj 02-22-2011 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by nexxxt214 (Post 3554103)
I run 2-3 kites, never more then 250 yards away.

I think you mean feet not yards, no one is fishing kites 250 yards from the boat.

I would spend my money first on some nice hi speed lever drag reels and good stand up rods before the electric kite reel, but thats just me. Launching the kites is generally easier on a manual set up, and it definetly takes some experience with different wind conditions and kites. I would not go electramate or krystal before getting the hang of it.

budman6pk 02-24-2011 03:29 AM

This may be the stupidest question ever- but why doesn't an electric downrigger work with kites. THere can't be anymore pressure than my z-wing puts on the arm-

gtrfred 02-24-2011 07:12 AM

um i guess you could. you would need to run a kite rig over your downrigger cable/mono/braid, in order to have the swivels and clips in place. would the swivels even pass through the tip assembly on the downrigger? i think the biggest disadvantage is that the angle of the downrigger boom is not pointed up in the air. additional, on a center console, there are times when you need to move the kite rod around the boat. this would be more difficult to do with the downrigger.

although the kite rods are short, people often lift them into the air to help the kite catch wind. the downrigger would just be too cumbersome.

not impossible, just not practical.

Carolina Pavers 02-27-2011 07:52 AM

I have also been looking at reels and have had conversations with folks that should know about the Electramate and Fish Winch. There seems to be a concern about the newer Penns and a gear being a weak link. They have recommended a Diawa 450.


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