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Old 02-15-2011, 05:00 AM
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OK, Ive read the posts. Ive practiced the knot over and over. I feel really comfortable tying the twist.

Question is: How do I use it now?

Do I tie a hook directly to the loop? Do I put a swivel on the loop and attach my leader to that swivel? Do I put a snap swivel on the loop and attach my trolling lures directly to it?
How do I use it?

Can I use it for everything or just big game fish?

I know it doubles the strength of my mainline but Im not sure how to rig it to my terminal tackle.

I am a grouper/snapper guy who is now getting into trolling for kings, tuna, mahi, and wahoo (given the grouper closure).

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Old 02-15-2011, 05:18 AM
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I've never heard of anyone using the bimini twist with a swivel or lure on the loop. I use it to attach 80 lb. braided running line to 100 yard mono topshots with a loop to loop connection. I also use it to tie an offshore swivel knot in 30 lb. mono, and I attach a short 6' 80 lb. leader to the other end for the whiteys. I also use it on big game fly fishing leaders for loop to loop connections between the class tippet and midsection. There are plenty of other uses, but those are the ones I am familiar with.
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Old 02-15-2011, 05:31 AM
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Right..........so that is my question.

Im trolling for blue water fish (tuna, mahi, kings, wahoo)...........so.............do i just tie that loop to a swivel and then just tie my leader to the swivel? Im just trying to see how I attach my terminal tackle to that loop.
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Old 02-15-2011, 05:44 AM
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Here's how light tackle types use the Bimini... It allows you to double your line so that any leader connection you tie on has greater knot strength than the line itself.... For casting lures I double the line for three feet then attach a short leader (two feet or less) of fluorocarbon that the lure (jig, plug, spoon, etc) will be attached to. In practice every cast you make will have the heavier leader just outside the rod tip. The overall leader then is actually five feet... (with 10lb line, I double the last three feet -now it's 20lb, then the 20lb is tied up to a 30 or 40lb fluoro leader). The knots most use to attach doubled line to leader are the Allbright, the No Name, the Slim Beauty, or the blood knot... some also like a doubled Surgeon's knot (the best book that I've ever seen on knots is still Mark Sosin's...)

Now for the fun part. Many bonefish anglers never use leaders at all they just tie that three foot doubled section directly to the hook for an almost invisible "leader" that won't put off the fish up on shallow flats. That's exactly the way I set up for permit on the flats as well - whether it's to a hook or a skimmer jig. I'm sure that some yellowtailers do the same when the fish are spooky and leader shy. You have to be willing to change up to suit the condtions. For tossing lures at giant tarpon the leader section may only be about three feet of 60 or 80lb fluoro but it's attached to a three or four foot doubled line...

Hope this helps.
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You can tie with an Albright, Bristol, Alberto, a "permanent” 5, 10, 50’ leader, I use floro. Or if all your lures are preped with a leader you can do an offshore loop to a snap swivel or barrel and continue on from there. Truly there is no right and wrong way, though personally I don’t care for snap swivels, but I never heard of a dolphin that refused one.
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:00 AM
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yes... you can run a swivel right off the end of the bimini... use to be SOP in marlin tornaments before we switchted to wind-on's. a lot of people around here run braid right to a swivel then a bait (usually on #8 or #9 wire). the braid/wire might be an issue for tunas but it wont bother the hoos/dolphin.
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RkatzTampaBay View Post
OK, Ive read the posts. Ive practiced the knot over and over. I feel really comfortable tying the twist.

Question is: How do I use it now?

Do I tie a hook directly to the loop? Do I put a swivel on the loop and attach my leader to that swivel? Do I put a snap swivel on the loop and attach my trolling lures directly to it?
How do I use it?

Can I use it for everything or just big game fish?

I know it doubles the strength of my mainline but Im not sure how to rig it to my terminal tackle.

I am a grouper/snapper guy who is now getting into trolling for kings, tuna, mahi, and wahoo (given the grouper closure).

Thanks.
You've had a lot of answers, all of them look good. From a strength standpoint, you could just do a once-through Offshore Swivel knot to a swivel, hook or snap swivel. You would have a very strong connection, better than any single-line knot to a swivel (or hook or snap). And if your Bimini is good, it would never slip.

However, braid tends to be thin so depending on the fish you're after most people add some mono or fluoro leader for stealth; and for abrasion resistance since mono/fluoro is thicker than braid.

Now that you've got a nice strong Bimini, the best way to connect your leader is with a SINGLE loop-to-loop to a Windon leader, with a swivel at the end of the leader. L2L connections don't attract weeds and don't get hung in the guides and are as strong as the Bimini.

Staying with the assumption that you're adding mono/fluoro but don't want/need a windon, the next best choice for me is the Bristol/Reverse Albright, a small strong knot. You could also consider a Slim Beauty.

A lot of guys who don't use windons or Biminis connect with a PR knot, a strong connection but time consuming to tie.
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:55 AM
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For trolling 8 ft 50 -80 fluro attached with albright knot with 80-120 spro snap swivel as terminal. The spro will pass through guides if over reeled in excitement.
Or a wind on leader-then its loop to loop with spro on tag end.
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This might help you... besides keeping you within regulations in case of a record fish (see page 3)
http://igfa.org/images/uploads/files...nts_021411.pdf
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Old 02-15-2011, 01:27 PM
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You guys are great.

Likely what I will do is connect a swivel to the bimini loop with an offshore swivel knot, then attach leader to the swivel (i tend to use uni-knots), with the lure/hook at the end of the leader.

Hopefully that sounds good.
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Old 02-15-2011, 03:40 PM
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i have a question on this.wont braid cut thru mono or flouro if you do a loop to loop?i have windons on spinning reels but i want to put braid backing on my trolling rigs with top shot.
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ive tried that before but the offshore swivel knot gets kinda big and won't go through the guides very well. I started making windons with a dacron loop (see videos by offshore3114 or something like that) and attaching those to the bimini. They work much better and are fairly simple to make. I use 50# main line and 100# leaders. If its straight braid, i use a bimini to a barrel swivel and then just crimp the leader to that.
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I do the same as wahoo whacker. For my long topshots for tuna rods, where it is essential to have a smooth connection between braided mainline and mono, I use the hollow spectra loop on the topshot and the bimini twist on the solid braid. This way you avoid any braid/mono connections where the braid could cut the mono.

For short leaders on my white marlin rods, I have #30 mainline, bimini twist, offshore swivel knot, crimp 6' of 80# mono to the swivel, and crimp on a hook.
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Old 02-16-2011, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by scottmori View Post
i have a question on this.wont braid cut thru mono or flouro if you do a loop to loop?i have windons on spinning reels but i want to put braid backing on my trolling rigs with top shot.
thanks scott

You're right. The leader should be made from Mono/Fluoro with Hollow Spectra spliced to the end, with a loop in the spectra. Then the L2L is spectra to spectra.
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Old 02-18-2011, 07:36 PM
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If you have mono as your main line and tie a bimini twist u have now have a loop in the end of your line.. you can now attach it to anything you like. Before I switchef to hollow core I used 80lb momoi or jinkai with a bimini twist and used the loop to tie a palamar knot to a ball bearing swivel for trolling. That way you can switch out lure with ease. If you need any help with your offshore setup pm me..I'm bored at work..haha
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