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Old 02-05-2011, 05:22 PM
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A group of 4 to 6 guys from the NE are thinking about a 6 to 8 day Long Range (San Diego) trip during the summer of 2012. We would like to have a legitimate shot at Albacore and /or Yellowfin. Is this reasonable?

What boats should we be looking at? We are all experienced canyon fisherman; but, have zero West Coast experience. Would July or August be better? When will summer 2012 schedules be posted?

What other questions should we be asking?

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Old 02-05-2011, 07:05 PM
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the longer the trip, the better your chances. Do an 8 day min. which will take you to either/and Alijos Rocks or to the Ridge and fishing on the way back at places like Cedros Is. You can expect California yellowtail, yellowfin tuna, albacore, bluefin, dorado, possibly some wahoo, and some other fish, but the the main species will be YFT, Calif YT, and Albacore in summer.

The later in the summer, the warmer the waters so more opportunity for dorado, wahoo and bigger tuna. Depending on where the boat goes, average YFT in mid late summer is 50-125# fish with some nicer ones mixed in. Later in the summer, more focus on YFT and less on albacore.

Go to either www.fishermanslanding.com or www.pointlomasportfishing.com for links to the website of the major long range boats. the 2 landings are right beside each other with all the boats in visible sight.

I'd personally avoid the "smaller" long range boats (less than 90 feet).
I can personally recommend the following boats:
Shogun, Royal Star, Independence, Excel, and the Royal Polaris

Boats' schedules are posted on their websites.
These trips are gear intensive, you need to bring, buy or rent.
Summer = lots of variety and but lots of different gear.
Take a look at most boats' websites on their recommendation and you'll see a min of 5-7 outfits to cover the spectrum of 20# to 130# setups. Heavier set ups for dropper loop, trolling and kite fishing (most boats you can borrow or use for free the heavier rods for trolling and kite).

Likely the 40# stick will be your go to rod, so you may consider investing in a good outfit for this live bait rig.

should also check out bloodydecks.com for the long range scene.
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Old 02-05-2011, 07:28 PM
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Agree with BC22. I've been on 6 long range trips out of Fisherman's Landing in San Diego on either the Shogun or Royal Polaris. You can not really experience that fishery in less than 8 days because the shorter trips don't have time to get to the better areas/destinations. My shortest trip was 11 days, & the longest was 16, & the fishing was world class on 5 out of the 6 trips.
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Old 02-06-2011, 06:11 AM
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in the late summer( august) a five or six day trip will likely go to Cedros island for yellowtail and fish offshore for schoolie YFT and whatever other fish are there. if guadalupe island is the destination then bigger fish are on option, but most boats are not going there right now due to government regulations. In august of 09 I caught YFT, dodos, skipjack and yellowtail. there were some bluefin and a few albacore caught. the fish were all 15-30 pounds. at guadalupe island we got YFT to 60 lbs. If you want a larger grade of YFT I think the longer trips earlier in the season are the go to as BC22 points out you want to hit the ridge or the rocks for the larger tuna.

I think going with a group of pals it the way to do it. I went alone and made a couple of friends, but still was not in the group. I will probably go again but on a longer trip. If I lived in san diego I would go on some trip every year, the travel cost adds up quick.

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PS: call Five Star Fish Processing and make arrangements for your catch. first class service.
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Old 02-07-2011, 02:08 AM
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ditto the gals at 5-star, they take care of me and my catch perfectly every time even the shipping back to canada.

Only 48 more days for my next 8-day trip to the Rocks!
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x3 on the 5 star folks. ive fished the excel twice, once for an 8 day and once for a 10 day. they are a top notch operation. invest some time in researching west coast long range rigging and tackle, its very different from what we do here on the east coast
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Old 02-07-2011, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by andyp262 View Post
invest some time in researching west coast long range rigging and tackle, its very different from what we do here on the east coast

yuppers, I spent a lot of time figuring things out and learning the ropes. the next time I go I will probably do much better, but still will be learning a lot.

definitely do not go thinking you know how its done, go in planning to learn how its done and you will do fine.

one last tip: while waiting to board stop down at Point Loma Seafood and get a squidwich

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Old 02-07-2011, 09:07 AM
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Here's a great explaination of things by John Klein from the Qualifier 105. I know it explained a lot of things to me:

Repost on 3 to 5 day trips. Hope it helps

I have seen a lot of posts asking about the benefits and drawbacks of 3 to 5 day long range trips during the months of July, August and September. I have a pretty good historic perspective on this length of trip and thought I would throw a few observations into the mix. As with all things, what we fish for, the techniques we use to fish for them and the gear and fashion statements (Ha Ha) we fish in, have all changed or modified over the seasons. You really need to divide this length of trip into two categories; Open Ocean fishing and Islands fishing when you are considering the length of trip you want to fish on.

Open Ocean. If you are looking for Albacore, Bluefin tuna, Yellowtail under kelp beds and later in the season, Yellowfin tuna and Dorado, the 3, 4 and 5-day trips all offer excellent opportunities for a great trip. In reality during these months Southern California anglers can experience great fishing during one-day trips. On open ocean trips, distance is a factor only due to the fact that the waters that are holding game fish are certain distances from The Point. One year Albacore will knock on the door at Point Loma and other years they will be 50 to 200 miles from San Diego. That means longer trips, more time, hopefully equaling more fish.

Islands. If Isla Guadalupe, Islas Benitos and Isla de Cedros are in your game plan here is a little info regarding speed and distances to ponder. Depending on current, the length of the vessel and most importantly, the man behind the throttles; most long range boats average around 10 knots over the water (it makes the math real easy as well). Approximate distances from San Diego to various points of importance:

N. End Guadalupe 216 nautical miles
S. End Guadalupe 235 nautical miles
The Gap Benitas 286 nautical miles
S. End Cedros 305 nautical miles
N. End Cedros 280 nautical miles
Cedros to Lupe 165 nautical miles

The Long Range Fleet generally can clear the Point between 12 Noon and 2 PM on average. As an example, if you are headed to Guadalupe and get an early jump (10 to 11ish) you will be fishing Lupe some time early the next morning. Remember that a change in speed of one knot gains or loses you 24 miles in 24 hours (2 ˝ hours of fishing time). On a three day trip Guadalupe is fishable for the day you arrive and until around nine or ten the next morning at the S. End, a little later at the North. Benitas and Cedros are unfishable on a three day trip and you better hit things just right on a four day if your intention is to fish the islands, as your 1st day and your last will more than likely be spent “looking” at open ocean, giving you one day at the Islands. The reason why I love a five-day trip is time. It allows you the luxury of reaching a location to find a down day due to the fact that conditions have changed for the worse. The fish are either off the feed or used their tails and swam away! The five-day trip allows you the time to recover and make a catch for the anglers onboard. What we dream of course is the 5 day trip where the stars align perfectly with moon; you leave San Diego with flat calm weather, load up on Albacore and Bluefin on your first day, fish Cedros and/or Benitas for 25 pound plus Yellowtail on the second day and finish off with a Jackpot Stop at Guadalupe, catching 35 to 70 pound Yellowfin and return home with continued flat calm weather and a ticker tape parade at the dock. There are a lot of different combinations between open ocean and islands fishing and destinations that can be hit when desperate measures are called for. This is just a general guide line, I am sure there will be an angler or maybe even an operator who says the Boat Bodacious goes 13 knots and can fish Alijos Rocks on a 4 day. Maybe so, but not realistic.

During the months of July, August and September you really can’t go wrong when you choose a trip length. June can be an excellent month as well; as an operator in June I prefer 7 or 8 days. The more days I have, will allow me to reach some cool oceanic playgrounds. If you go earlier or later than July, August and September I would choose a longer trip, allowing you to fish on ground tackle at different locations. Whether you are out for one day, five to six days or even longer, have realistic expectations about where you can fish given time and distance. I hope this will be of some help to anglers that are making their way into the long range five and six day world. Oh, one last word. The golden rule: have FUN whether you catch a bunch of fish or just or just a few. Oh, a second last word. Do not be bashful about calling any of the long range operators and ask questions, as to a man they love to fish and almost all of us love to talk about it.

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John Klein
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Hope that helped,

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Lots of great boats out of San Diego, if it was me on the time table you have. Go south to Cabo and rent a boat for 2 full days. You will have plenty of fish and dinner on land.

The longest run from the marina in Cabo is 50/60 miles. Depending on weather and fish.

Hooked up a black marlin and I could see most of the resorts...... I wonder what the black marlin was chasing, tuna?
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Old 02-07-2011, 09:58 AM
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All,
Some excellent advice already given; glad to see that the general knowledge base about San Diego trips is getting out there.
There are several "official" Penn-sponsored trips in 2011 where we encourage first-time long-rangers.
8-Day on boat Excel- June 8-15
6-Day on boat Searcher- Sept. 17-23
8-Day on boat American Angler- Oct. 12-20
The 2012 schedules won't be out until the fall of 2011.
With so many different species and areas, a proper calendar is pretty hard to do, but if you want "big" yellowfin tuna [200 pounds or more], then a 10-day trip or longer, generally between November and February is the thing.
7-day trips can reach Alijos Rocks where the tuna usually range from 20-150 pounds, and 5-day trips can reach Guadalupe Island where they can be 30-120 pounds.
Hope to see some of you aboard!
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I have been following the Excel for the past month as they post daily fishing conditions and catches of the day. Two 300# yfins last week. Plan on doing this trip in the summer and still looking for the right fit.

Some very good info on this thread.
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Lots of great boats out of San Diego, if it was me on the time table you have. Go south to Cabo and rent a boat for 2 full days. You will have plenty of fish and dinner on land.

The longest run from the marina in Cabo is 50/60 miles. Depending on weather and fish.

Hooked up a black marlin and I could see most of the resorts...... I wonder what the black marlin was chasing, tuna?
I've often thought about going to Cabo or PV and fishing from there as i've heard it's nothing short of great, but schedules are difficult especially when trying to make it work with a group of people. Cabo or PV would be awkward to go alone and rather expensive if not splitting the cost of multiple day charters.

I've gone on long range trips both with buddy(s) and by myself. It's just so much easier for me to plan my logistics and jump on a LR boat and everything is taken care of from stateroom to food--i just have to worry about having a good fishing time. I have and as most will testify that you'll meet a lot of other great guys (and the occasional gal) on LR boats along with crew and have a great time. I feel that on the longer trips (7+ days), there is little risk of not having a great time as you'll meet some good people, eat incredibly well, and catch some great fish. A perfect fishing vacation IMO.

PS. yes a shorter run to the grounds from Cabo (50-60mi.), but once the LR boats are on the grounds, nothing like waking up to the sound of your capt. on the PA suggesting you grab your 80# or heavier gear because the YFT around the boat are pigs and on the chew! I don't need coffee to wake me up and help get me started when i hear that!
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there is nothing like fishing until you cant stand up any longer, grabbing a slab of prime rib and a beverage, and retiring to your air conditioned state room........for 8 or 9 days!! lol
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Should add that the Penn trip aboard American Angler in October 2010 experienced some of the hottest wahoo fishing in several years.
We actually had large schools of 40-60 pound wahoo jumping and boiling around the boat for two straight days.
They were on a wide-open bite; going for jigs, poppers, live bait, they didn't care.
After catching over 40 wahoo the first afternoon, we got another 78 wahoo [and lost at least 100 more] By 9 AM on the second morning in the area, we had to drive away from ravenously biting fish because we had full Mexican limits.
THAT might add a little more temptation!

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I do 2 trips per year out of SD. My next trip is in late July, an 8 day to Alejos rocks. Wahoo, tuna, yellowtail and we should have a decent offshore bite of albies and bluefin. Aug is a good timeframe as well, I would suggest a minimum of 7 days for your best odds on a multi specie trip. I fish on the Shogun, best crew and most stable boat in the fleet. I did a 13 day 2 years ago for the COWS.....that was a whole different experience......I dont think I will be doing that again anytime soon. Good luck and keep us posted. Tell Andrea in the office of Fishermans landing hi for me.
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