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Old 02-02-2011, 10:18 AM
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From what I understand normal aftco guides can cut braid if it gets to one side. I also understand that large windon leaders need oversize rollers. What rollers do I need to have if I want to use braid and be able to use heavy windon leaders? The braid is more important than the leader if there isnt a good option for both.
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Roller manufacturers have addressed the issue of braid and the roller housing. If you go with Winthrop Tool, Aftco, Stuart or All American, you will be fine. Here is my ranking:
1. Winthrop Tool Excel
2. Winthrop Tool Express
3. Aftco
4. Stuart
5. All American

Hope this helps.

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Originally Posted by ANGLER'S ENVY View Post
Roller manufacturers have addressed the issue of braid and the roller housing. If you go with Winthrop Tool, Aftco, Stuart or All American, you will be fine. Here is my ranking:
1. Winthrop Tool Excel
2. Winthrop Tool Express
3. Aftco
4. Stuart
5. All American

Hope this helps.

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That's a good order, but the Winthrops are very expensive (about 2.5x the price of the Aftco's) and only on custom rods.

You don't say what size braid or wind-on.
I like the Aftco Wind-On guides for bigger tackle (30VSW, 50VSW or 70VSW), Aftco HD Guides for smaller tackle (12VSX & 16VSX), and the Aftco Big Foot SHD for the very big stuff (80VSW or 130VSX).
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Im sorry, I should have been more specific. I need a rod with guides that match those qualities. So I would be good with any rod that is sold with oversized guides of those manufacturers?

What about Pacbay?

Any recommendations for a 50-100lb 5'6" rod with oversized rollers, a short strait butt for a decent (under $300) price?. I would prefer it actually have some give in it. It will be for a 50W but some of the 50-100s out there are like broom sticks.
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Ck out Johns rods at Pinnacle. He sells alot on here and has great prices and a good product.
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Originally Posted by LI32 View Post
You don't say what size braid or wind-on.
I like the Aftco Wind-On guides for bigger tackle (30VSW, 50VSW or 70VSW), Aftco HD Guides for smaller tackle (12VSX & 16VSX), and the Aftco Big Foot SHD for the very big stuff (80VSW or 130VSX).
Its 130 braid, 100 yard 100lb mono topshot, and 400lb wind-on.
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+1 on the Pinnacle Marine rods that John makes with Pacific Bay components. I troll braid at high speed for wahoo and regular trolling speed with no problems on the Pac Bay Eliminator Jr. rollers.
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Its 130 braid, 100 yard 100lb mono topshot, and 400lb wind-on.
That is the big-boy stuff. I would go with either Aftco Wind-On or the Big Foot guides. You may also want to revisit that 400 lb mono wind-on - it is tough to actually get it to "wind-on" a reel smaller than an 80W. Unless you are married to it, a 300lb mono wind-on works better and is extremely durable.
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Originally Posted by Capt. Tom D. View Post
Ck out Johns rods at Pinnacle. He sells alot on here and has great prices and a good product.
Another good source is Connely rods . . . he has a number of threads in the for sale section . . . as so the other semi-custon=m and custom rod makers

I suggest you contact them and tell them exactly what lines you are planning on using and ask them what their solutions are

Good luck!

PS I have over 20 Connely ( why so many? ) and I am happy with the quality versus price
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Originally Posted by Toledo View Post
Any recommendations for a 50-100lb 5'6" rod with oversized rollers, a short strait butt for a decent (under $300) price?. I would prefer it actually have some give in it. It will be for a 50W but some of the 50-100s out there are like broom sticks.
$300 isn't going to happen
Any rod fitting your specs is a custom piece. The components to build a rod like that, even using the least expensive Calstar E-glass blank (which to be fair is a nice blank), a cheap Pac Bay aluminum butt (Aftco is better quality, but more $$) and a set of silver Aftco Wind-on guides and top is right at about $300; and it will be 7-10 hours labor - so you figure out what a reasonable price is?

If you think some 50-100's are overly stiff, you probably haven't tried putting 40 lbs of drag on it, which is what your proposed 50W rig with 130 braid and 100 lb mono will be doing at strike with 2/3's of the spool in the water and with the strike drag scale set to 25 lbs at the full spool level. I find most 50-100's are like noodles at 25lbs of drag, much less 40 or 50.
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I have learned this...If your fishing 130lb braid to 100lb tops a 50-100 lb rod is a little light for your set up. A rod that's rated for 50lb can not fish 100lb line correctly. with the new 50Ws that can produce 50lbs of drag, you will be under classed on your rod if you ever plan on 30 or more pounds of drag on a 50-100 rod.

I would look to go with a 80-130 stand up rod. If you want something cheap but strong that has rollers don't over look the Ugly stick 130 in 5'6".

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Check out Connley, his stuff is top notch and very reasonable!

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I have a few of these with Penn 30-50VSW's. Have JB hollow(80-100lb) and mono top shot and they work great and nice action. They don't have the oversized rollers however I have never had a problem with them.

http://www.fishermansoutfitter.com/p...andup-Rod.aspx
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Read this thread from Connley:

http://www.thehulltruth.com/fishing-...d-up-rods.html

I stated in the thread:

"Your description of the blanks was spot on. When comparing them to my Penn Tuna Sticks (2260), the blanks are slightly softer and much faster. But middle to bottom of the blank has a ton of power."

For $200 they are a great value. They would be a great match with 50's if you are fishing under 30 pounds of drag. If you want
or need more than that you need 80-130's or unlimited blanks. But will feel more like broom sticks.

As with everything, it is a trade off.

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Default 50 Class rod with wind-on and short bent for under $200

I have 8 of these left in stock. The Medium stuarts that are on the rods have a huge groove and the roller is recessed to prevent line binding. The clearance is .25in, so you can roll just about anything through it. The blank is solid E-glass Med-fast action. Total length with the short bent butt attached is right at 6 foot.

Give me a call if interested: 210-364-6943

I also have a similar rod witht he Pac Bay Eliminator wind-ons for $165ea delivered with the short bent butt.

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Beautiful gear Pinnacle !
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Old 02-18-2011, 11:44 PM
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I have aftco and Also alutecnos guides. For my 50lb setup I use alutecnos. They make some beefy stuff and wayyy cheaper than whinthrop.i run 130lb jerry brown w.o a problem with those guides and a penn 50vsw. Im a rod builder so if yo u need anything just pm me. maybe I could build a rod for you.
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Aftco all the way. Stay away from PacBay for the heavy stuff.
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This will give you an Idea of a custom rod built on a Calstar Boomer Blank, Aftco Rollers, and Aftco reel seats.


“Terminator” Custom Rods"

5’6” Custom Stand Up Rods with Straight Butt
All Rods are built on Calstar Boomer Series Blanks, Aftco Rollers, and
Aftco UniButts

LENGTH WEIGHT GUIDES BUTT PRICE
* 5’6” 30-80lb. Aftco HD Roller Aftco Unibutt $379.95 *
5’6” 40-100lb. Aftco HD Roller Aftco Unibutt $389.95
5’6” 60-130lb. Aftco Wind On Roller Aftco Unibutt $429.95

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All Rods are built on Calstar Boomer Series Blanks, Aftco Rollers, and
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LENGTH WEIGHT GUIDES BUTT PRICE
* 5’6” 30-80lb. Aftco HD Roller Aftco Bent Unibutt $399.95
5’6” 40-100lb. Aftco HD Roller Aftco Bent Unibutt $409.95
5’6” 60-130lb. Aftco Wind On Roller Aftco Bent Unibutt $449.95

6’ Custom Stand Up Rods with Straight Butt
All Rods are built on Calstar Boomer Series Blanks, Aftco Rollers, and
Aftco UniButts

LENGTH WEIGHT GUIDES BUTT PRICE
* 6‘ 30-80lb. Aftco HD Roller Aftco Unibutt $399.95
6‘ 40-100lb. Aftco HD Roller Aftco Unibutt $409.95
6‘ 60-130lb. Aftco Wind On Roller Aftco Unibutt $449.95

6’ Custom Stand Up Rods with Short Bent Butt
All Rods are built on Calstar Boomer Series Blanks, Aftco Rollers, and
Aftco Curved UniButts

LENGTH WEIGHT GUIDES BUTT PRICE
* 6‘ 30-80lb. Aftco HD Roller Aftco Bent Unibutt $419.95
6‘ 40-100lb. Aftco HD Roller Aftco Bent Unibutt $429.95
6‘ 60-130lb. Aftco Wind On Roller Aftco Bent Unibutt $479.95
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What size wind-ons are you considering?

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From what I understand normal aftco guides can cut braid if it gets to one side. I also understand that large windon leaders need oversize rollers. What rollers do I need to have if I want to use braid and be able to use heavy windon leaders? The braid is more important than the leader if there isnt a good option for both.
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