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Old 01-13-2011, 06:23 PM
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i was wondering on what peoples thoughts are on whether or not the avet ex 30 will handle new england sized bluefin tuna. and if so how much line and what pound test, braid or mono. also what line class rod would best suit this set up.

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Old 01-14-2011, 10:22 AM
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I replied in the other thread. I have an Avet Pro 30W and have personally landed BFT up to 200 pounds with it. I am confident it can handle much more. I am currently running 80 pound PP, but given my choice I would go 80 pound JB Hollow to a 100 yards of 100 pound mono top shot.....

It is a great reel unless you are giant fishing. I trust it more than my Penn Int 50's on Stellwagon. And yes if you are fishing Stellwagon, you will get a pig that is out of this reel's league eventually. But I don't want to run 80's and 130's from the gunnel. I like stand up fishing and these reels give you all the drag and capacity you need.

Oh, go with the wide version for a little more capacity if you are worried...

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remember, avet is the last reel company that does not apply teflon grease to their drag washers. if the drag washer is not greased and the glue job is not perfect, saltwater can get under the washer, crystalize, lift, spread a little more, crystalize, lift a little more and before you know it, the washer falls off. unless you can service your own gear and get these drag washers greased, i would really recommend a reel that has a greased washer. it appears to have become the standard for the industry. sorry about the bad news. alan









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I have an Avet 30, and Itwas used on a longrange trip out of the box. The exact scenario described and in the pictures of Alans post occured. It works REALLY well when it is working. Makes more drag than I can fish without using the rail.
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Well there it is from the man himself. Always good info Alan.

WOW that must have been one herky jerky drag.
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I own an avet now and ive taken it apart to that stage and i was able to get it back together. I am going to grease it tomorrow, how often should i grease it?
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once. pity it could not have been done at the factory.......
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Old 01-15-2011, 06:22 AM
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Okay, and should i use the avet grease that they sell?

Thanks again for the feedback!
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Originally Posted by avet_crowder View Post
Okay, and should i use the avet grease that they sell?

Thanks again for the feedback!
I bought a 1# tub of Cal's grease an use it for all my reel greasing needs. I discussed with Alan if I should be using a marine grease for the other apps, like bearings, etc.. He explained that the cal's can be used for everything.

I would advise you to visit Alan's site. Besides having a picture tutorial on prepping the Avet reel, he also sells a few helpful products, like the bearing cups for greasing bearings, custom made penn reel handle wrenches, etc..

I will say that the Avet reel is very easy to disassemble and reassemble. And greasing the drag, as well as all of the stainless retaining screws is a good idea before using. Although I never greased my avet drags and it still looks and performs new with what I would consider only moderate care, a quick rinse and thats about it.
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you need a pure teflon grease for the drag washers. cal's grease or shimano drag grease is fine.
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Why in the heck would a manufacturer like Avet(who makes a great reel, BTW)not grease their drag washers??
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Why in the heck would a manufacturer like Avet(who makes a great reel, BTW)not grease their drag washers??

LOL, that is the 64 thousand dollar question. I think the answer is, Sarkis doesnt want Alan to be right.
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LOL, that is the 64 thousand dollar question. I think the answer is, Sarkis doesnt want Alan to be right.
ahem..... you said that, not me.
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If I had a lot of money, I'd start a reel company. Alan would be the VP of R&D. We'd have 90% of the market within a year.
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I sent an email to Avet asking why they don't grease the drag washers...I will post their response.
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I sent an email to Avet asking why they don't grease the drag washers...I will post their response.

here's the link to rick ozaki's response to the question about greasing avet carbon fiber drags or not. to date, it is the best arguement i have heard in FAVOR of greasing drag washers, even though avet argues in favor of drag drags.

http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/av...ot-grease.html

and here is a copy of the text, reprinted without permission (figured rick would not mind). read this here if you wish, or read the same thing AND the various responses on bloodydecks.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!! alan

To Grease or Not to Grease?

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WOW! The quest for perfection. You would think something as simple as slowing down a fish hell bent on freedom over a frying pan would be easy. NOT!

Well, I have read all of your posts from Hawaii to Germany, from salmon to giant bluefin tuna, from jerky to super smooth and from grease or no grease.

The bottom line is, no matter how much someone listens, researches, reads or peers into the crystal ball, they are always going to follow the method that they feel either makes the most sense or that which makes them more confident in their own ways.

Well, here is one more post that I hope will settle down this flurry of varied self determined opinions weather to grease or not to grease.

Today, May 14th was dedicated to full-on total R&D (grease/no grease) day at Avet. Sarkis, Harry, Dave Rocchi and Ben Frazier spent the day burning a lot of gas, burning a lot of drag washers and tearing down and scrutinize a lot of reels.

They obviously needed to standardize their testing so 100 yard monofilament topshots were designated as the line of choice since they had between 100 and 110 yards for their flight path. That length would cover most topshots with spectra backing and at the same time maintain consistency of the increase in line pressure as the line diameter decreased and the spool rotation increased.

Both single and twin drag reels were tested. Single drag reels were tested at full and twin drag reels were tested at strike (Dave really wasn’t up for what you called “asphalt skiing”). Line size was standardized to 40lb for single disk and 130lb for twin disk. Speed varied from 25 to 30 MPH at 75 yards depending on how close the looke lou’s got. Between the V-10 Dodge truck and the Hummer, speed was not nearly as critical as breaking.

While maintaining a common stance, they used what they thought was the best drag grease available and testing was performed immediately after the line was retrieved back on the reel with a calibrated scale.

Results are as follows:

v Single drag reels (dry drags): After 1st test = 100% of original drag, 2nd test followed immediately = 105% of original drag and immediately followed by 3rd test which also yealded 105% of original drag setting.
Teardown exposed slight yellow/bluish tinting of drag plate, but very little visual wear of carbon fiber drag.

v Single drag reels (greased drags after setting drag with excessive grease wiped off): Prior to load testing, the wet drag maintained same drag pressure as the dry drag on straight short pull. 1st (high speed) tests showed an average of 6 - 8% reduction from original drag setting. 2nd tests resulted in 10 to 13% reduction from original setting and 3rd tests stayed around the same.
Teardown also exposed yellow/bluish tinting of drag plate. Also appeared that as heat built up grease would become thinner and the centrifugal force would send (oil at this point) the grease to the outer diameter of the spool. After the third test, there appeared to be very little grease left on the drag. Possibly absorbed into the drag material but not visible at this point.

v Conclusion at this point: Single drags will be fine with smaller fish that won’t put the reel to the big test by pulling a lot of drag and building up a lot of heat. When the heat starts to build up, it appears as though the drag effectiveness is compromised.

v After the 3rd test, they allowed the reel to cool off for 3 minutes and retested with a short pull test. The drags came back to within approximately 5% of the original setting, and after 10 minutes of cool off, the drags came back to 100% of the original setting.

v Twin drag testing was performed with a Pro EXW50/2 loaded with 130lb mono over spectra. The Spectra was never exposed during any of the tests. All testing (both greased and non-greased) was with a drag setting of 35lbs at strike.

v First and second dry tests resulted in drag increasing to 37lbs. After the second test, those drags were getting very hot and we decided to take it apart cool it down and grease em up, wiping off any excess.

v Results from the 1st test equated to the same as the dry test showing an increase of 2 lbs of drag (37lbs).

v Results from the 2nd test showed a decrease of 3.5 lbs down to 33.5 lbs of drag immediately after the line was retrieved.

v The reel was disassembled and showed just slight discoloration of the plate and once again small amount grease built up on inside of side plate. Also there was very little sign of any grease on washers themselves.

v They figured it was getting late but had time for one more test, so the drag washers went to the sink and were soaked with water and reassembled.
Once again the drags were set at 35lbs (strike) and off went the Hummer. This was somewhat non-conclusive since the drags were still warm, but not hot and the water absorbed into the drag washers pretty quickly. As a result of the wet/no so wet drag, there was only a loss of .5lbs down to 34.5lbs of drag.

v Conclusion at this point: Twin drags with no grease stayed fairly consistent and even increased slightly when initially heated up (or worn in).
With grease applied, the drags also increased up to 37lbs but when really heated up the drags started to loose a little moving down to 33.5lbs.

Your call at this point depending what your fishing for. Granders from Hawaii to Portugal that are going to do everything possible to melt you and your drags while strapped in and strapped down using monster drag settings (35-70) or stand-up on the rail dealing with a little less drag (30 – 45) and YFTs, BFTs etc. that hopefully will settle down and not get too stupid with you.

Avet’s stance at this point: They are going to hold on to their original direction of NO grease due to inconsistencies resulting from varying temperatures, having to reapply grease periodically, grease having a tendency of attracting inherent elements such as salt, carbon dust etc.

One very important factor to take into consideration is that Avet is building high quality reels for people fishing all over the world for every type of application be it extreme or simple day of enjoyment on the water type of fishing. Their thought process is to keep them simple, affordable, and strong while maintaining a high level of quality and customer satisfaction. Consistency and quality control are two of the most challenging facets of any major reel manufacturer. As the age old adage goes, “you can make everyone happy some of the time and you can make some of the people happy all of the time, but you can’t make everyone happy all of the time”. This is one company that I know that will keep trying their best to make everyone happy.
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Thanks, Alan. I am sure the response will parrot this test. Funny, they don't even address the problem with the build-up of crystallized salt behind the drag washers that occurs without them being greased. I mentioned that specifically in my email. Funny that you posted this. I took my Avets in for servicing a couple of years ago, and they told me this had happened on 3 of the 5 reels I took in. They told me it that if I hadn't brought them in when I did, they would have failed the first time I had a decent sized fish on. They made the same observation you did...that all other manufacturers grease their drag washers, and this was one of the reasons why they did. It seems Avet's stance is greasing the drags would actually create a problem.
Anyway, I will let everyone know what their response is.
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Thought I revisit this thread and bring it back to the top. Avet never granted me the courtesy of a reply. Not good, IMO. I have always like their reels, and own several.
Wonder why they didn't respond?? Oh, well...looks like Shimano will be my next reel purchase....

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take a look at these.......

http://www.thehulltruth.com/sportfis...22-2010-a.html
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that explains the avet dislike.
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