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Old 04-06-2004, 08:23 AM
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Have a few shimano TLD25's and I am considering using braided line as backing with a top shot of 50lb mono to get as much line capacity as possible. What lb. braided line should I use and how much? The reel is rated at 50lbs/350yds. How much line can I expect to get on the reel doing this and is it worth doing? Thanks for any replys.
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Old 04-06-2004, 08:28 AM
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Don't go overboard with a TLD or you'll end up with a damaged reel. They're good reels but can only handle so much pressure.

They'll hold 300/65 with a 225-250 yard topshot of 40lb mono.
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Old 04-06-2004, 07:13 PM
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The TLD25 should hold the following amounts of braid w/ mono topshot. Hope this helps. BTW, I wouldn't run more than 50# mono as a topshot since there's a max of about 16 pounds of drag at strike before you lose freespool.

Note: This has been derived mathmatically using MS Excel. Based on Shimano's capacity rating of 350 yds of 50#. Assuming that 50# mono is .028", 65# braid is .016", and 80# braid is .017".

300 yds 65# braid, 252 yds topshot
300 yds 80# braid, 239 yds topshot
500 yds 80# braid, 187 yds topshot
500 yds 80# braid, 166 yds topshot
600 yds 80# braid, 154 yds topshot
600 yds 80# braid, 129 yds topshot


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Old 04-07-2004, 07:15 AM
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I have also heard if you don't put a little mono on the reel first, the braid can slip. I haven't experienced it personally, but with my experience with how slippery braid is I believed it enough to take all my line off and do it.

As far as connecting the lines, I have had good luck with a uni to uni, although you have to use a lot of wraps with the braid or it will slip on you.

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Old 04-07-2004, 08:09 AM
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If the braid is stronger than the rated strength of the rod, you may break the rod, especially wne you have enough line out to be into the braid.

I usually only do about 50 yards of top shot....enough to give good shock resistence, not so much to have to change out every few trips. I put a 40-50 turn Bimini Teist on the PP at both ends. At the spool end, I use an arbor knot with the Bimini loop over the stud on the reel. If the reel has no stud, I use a piece of electrical tape through the loop and then spool over the tape. This will prevent the braid from slipping on the reel. At the leader end, I use the doubled line to tie an albright with the mono. The Albright is very strong and goes through the guides fairly well. Power Pro recommends the Albright, too.

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Old 04-07-2004, 09:36 AM
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Ditto Harry Brosofsky!
The top shot is just a shock leader! Braid does not stretch so the top shot gives cushion to the strike. Backing the reel can be done a couple of ways. You can spool up just enough mono to cover the barrel of the spool first, or you can put one wrap of duct tape on the barrel and then spool the braid. I prefer the use mono backing my self.
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Old 04-07-2004, 10:19 AM
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Interesting....Have thought about putting braided line on my TLD 30IIs to increase line capacity. Had planned on using 30 or 50 lb braid with a top shot of 30 lb, since I fish using 30lb mono and don't troll large baits.

Why would one use more than 50 lb braid, or a top shot of 50 or more mono? What are people using as their strike drag setting? Are you sacrificing free spool?

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Thanks for the replies.
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Old 04-07-2004, 12:53 PM
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30 and 50lb braids are so thin they can be prone to digging into the spool under heavy loads. Especially if you don't put the braid on the reel very tight using a good linewinder. I like 65lb for offshore because it's less likely to dig, that's just personal preference though.
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Old 04-08-2004, 10:25 PM
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Take a look at the new hollow braids. I just put some 80 HC on a Penn 15LD. It took 500yards of the 80 and then 150-200 of 50 mono. The "chinese finger cuff" way to connect the two lines is super slick! No knots and 100% strength. The 80 is only about the diameter of 20-25 mono so you can get plenty on there.
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Old 04-08-2004, 11:10 PM
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Enjoy.....

http://www.reelproshop.com/download/NewLineCapacity.zip

or

http://www.reelproshop.com/download/Hazman_linecalc.zip
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