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Old 12-27-2008, 05:14 PM   #1
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What is the best knot to tie for attaching the braid to the spool of a spinning reel. Thanks in advance for the opinions.
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Old 12-27-2008, 05:41 PM   #2
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Use any knot that will slip down (I use a Uni) .. then add a few half hitches untill it locks up .. add a couple more .. no problem. Test and see.
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Old 12-27-2008, 06:08 PM   #3
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Look up arbor know. It is basically what is mentioned above. Keep in mind that braided line is slippery If this is a light tackle spinning reel you will sometimes have trouble with the line not gripping the spool. When you get a fish the line will just spin around the spool and feel like you drag is broken. To avoid this I always wrap a small rubber band around the spool 2 or 3 times. the line will grap and not slip.
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Old 12-27-2008, 07:31 PM   #4
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First use mono on the spool to at least cover it and then tie on your braided line. Some people use tape, other people use rubber bands but these types of materials seem prone to failure with time. Tape gets messy and decays and rubber bands decay over time. Mono seems to work best. If you simply tie your braided line directly to the spool you will likely experience problems.
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Old 12-27-2008, 07:55 PM   #5
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If you simply tie your braided line directly to the spool you will likely experience problems.
I guess i've just been lucky for over 10yrs with about a doz+ spinning reels ... (max drag).
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Old 12-27-2008, 08:17 PM   #6
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Just to piggy-back off a couple of these repsonses what I do with mine and the tackle shop where I work is to start with a mono backing (amount depending on what type of fishing and how much you want to spend on the braid) and then attach the backing to the braid with a uni-uni. I also use a uni knot to attach the mono to the spool itself. For example on a small spinning real for trout I may use just a small amount of mono as the reel is only going to hold a somewhat small amount of braid anyway and it won't run the price up. But if you are putting braid say on a jigging reel/bottom fishing reel, you would probably want to figure in a good bit more mono backing as filling a big spool with all braid gets expensive quick.

I hope this helps some.
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Old 12-27-2008, 09:18 PM   #7
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Back the reel with mono and tie into the mono with a uni to uni. When I worked in a tackle shop, I had several customers bring in reels because "the drag wasn't working" - turned out that the entire spool of line was slipping on the reel. Some people use tape, but I would be concerned that the braid would cut through the tape. Backing with mono takes a little bit of extra time, but not much. You can vary the amount of mono on the reel from a few wraps to a half a spool or more so you can adjust the amount of braid you're spooling. For inshore fishing, I shoot for 100 yards of braid, for bottom fishing 300 yards, etc.
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Old 12-28-2008, 11:30 PM   #8
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before you go spooling up all your reels with whatever knot you choose there is something you need to do first: test your knots. Braid slips much more than mono. I can't get a uni knot or uni to uni joint to hold more than about 30% of the rated braid, EVER. It doesn't matter weather I put 4 wraps or 20, it just slips out when you get it in a real bind. I use the foam double sided tape on the spool method. On a spinning reel I use a Prussix knot over the foam tape. First I make a loop with a surgeons knot. then form it into a Prussix knot and slip it over the spool, then tighten it. You just have to be careful of your direction, make sure the line is wrapped reverse of normal rotation, then by pulling in the normal direction it will snug up and grip the spool. the Prussix will only grip in one direction, but it will SUPER GRIP in that direction. And if you do put on in the wrong direction, it is easy to slip it off and turn it around.
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Old 12-29-2008, 04:01 AM   #9
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Here's what the Jerry Brown website says about spooling Spectra.

Myth Busting: The truth about line slipping on the spool.Many mistakenly believe that Spectra® fishing line will slip on the spool unless you take draconian measures to prevent it. Experience has clearly shown that putting on several layers of mono, dacron or duct tape is totally unnecessary. This practice is not recommended to solve a problem that does not even exist. Braided line grips the spool much like tread on a tire grips the road better than a smooth one with an infinitely small contact area.Before you start spooling a reel, pass the line around the arbor twice and form a good knot such as the Berkley Trilene knot. Cinch it tightly on one side of the spool leaving a long tag end to be laid across the arbor. Spool the first full layer of Spectra® onto the spool in a close side-by-side fashion under tension of 6-8 pounds over the tag end. If this is done, the line will not slip! No exceptions have been reported but try pulling on it at this point if you have any doubts. When convinced, you might tell a friend that it works.Continue filling the spool under tension without any exaggerated crisscrossing. Tension about 1/2 the drag pressure expected may be appropriate when spooling heavy- duty line. Exaggerated crisscrossing creates open space in the spool which may invite the subsequent layer to dig in. In any case, crisscrossing is a one-time-event because you would not attempt exaggerated crisscrossing when fighting a fish because to do so would give the fish the opportunity to shake the hook. Actually, even if you think you are laying the line tightly under tension in a close side-by-side fashion, it is likely that you can’t see that you are crossing several wraps every turn because the line is so small diameter.Some believe that Spectra® should be spooled on wet. This is not needed, but if it makes you happy, OK. The main concern with wet spooling is that often insufficient tension is applied. Fresh water causes no problems, but I would not use sea water which has about 3.5% salt (about 1/3 pound per gallon). Salt causes spool erosion. You would be saturating the line with salt all the way down to the bottom of the spool to start trouble later.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:51 AM   #10
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before you go spooling up all your reels with whatever knot you choose there is something you need to do first: test your knots. Braid slips much more than mono. I can't get a uni knot or uni to uni joint to hold more than about 30% of the rated braid, EVER. It doesn't matter weather I put 4 wraps or 20, it just slips out when you get it in a real bind. I use the foam double sided tape on the spool method. On a spinning reel I use a Prussix knot over the foam tape. First I make a loop with a surgeons knot. then form it into a Prussix knot and slip it over the spool, then tighten it. You just have to be careful of your direction, make sure the line is wrapped reverse of normal rotation, then by pulling in the normal direction it will snug up and grip the spool. the Prussix will only grip in one direction, but it will SUPER GRIP in that direction. And if you do put on in the wrong direction, it is easy to slip it off and turn it around.
You must be doing something wrong with your uni knots. I've spent some time testing braid to mono connections using a hand scale, and the uni-to-uni was the strongest connection we found. If you really want a failsafe connection, tie a short double line in the braid before tying the uni-to-uni. Interestingly, a triple surgeons loop seems to be just about as strong as a bimini twist in light braid.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:45 PM   #11
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Here's what the Jerry Brown website says about spooling Spectra.

Myth Busting: Experience has clearly shown that putting on several layers of mono, dacron or duct tape is totally unnecessary. This practice is not recommended to solve a problem that does not even exist.
Don't know who Jerry Brown is and don't really care. My guess is he markets braided line but has never actually used it. You can tell by the number of entrys in this thread that the problem does actually exist.
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Old 12-29-2008, 09:27 PM   #12
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Has anyone thought about putting a weight test on it? Use what you're comfortable with.
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Old 12-29-2008, 09:51 PM   #13
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hmm. i've had several reels come in with the complaint of no drag. when i checked, the spectra was slipping on the spool. seen it with my own eye. plain as day. alan
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hmm. i've had several reels come in with the complaint of no drag. when i checked, the spectra was slipping on the spool. seen it with my own eye. plain as day. alan
hmm ... understandable if not properlly tightened down.
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Don't know who Jerry Brown is and don't really care. My guess is he markets braided line but has never actually used it. You can tell by the number of entrys in this thread that the problem does actually exist.
You may want to do some research. JB Industries probably knows more about spectra than anybody.....and they have nothing to gain by telling you not to use mono or tape. In fact, if mono, tape, rubber bands, etc. was required, it would be in their best interest to make sure their cutsomers knew it and used it to make sure they did not have any issues using the spectra. You just need to follow their directions and it works. They are actually trying to help their customers use spectra in the easiest and most efficient way.

Will mono and tape work? Yes. Is it required or necessary? No.

Also, if you don't think the spectra tied directly on the spool works, then Basil at BHP Tackle must be doing it wrong as well since he has done it to hundreds of reels.

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Most conventional reels have a pin or scoring on the spool which helps secure spectra to the arbor. Take the tag end around the spool twice and tie a double clinch knot with a long tag end. The key however is being able to apply drag to the feeder spool immediately on the first wraps. 6-8lb is sufficient; HD line-winders can be pre-set to do this. Where you run into trouble is when you hand-spool spectra onto your reel. Most times, the home spooling setup just cannot do the job properly. Spinning reel spool are especially slick however. In this case, even with a good line-winder and secure knots, I have seen line slip around the spool from the onset. For spinning reel spools I would recommend a single wrap of tape to nail the grip from the onset.

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Thanks for the info on the spinning reels Basil. I did not know there was a difference with spinning reel spools, which the OP was asking about.....I stand corrected. Good info.

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You must be a fishing genius
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You must be a fishing genius
Nope... Just never had a problem locking line down on spools.
If I do ... I'll probably use some type of tape or glue.
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You must be a fishing genius
No, not even close. I do know that tape or mono is not required on conventional spools and that is what the JB info was based on. People are saying that the JB info was incorrect and that is not the case.

However, the OP wanted to put the spectra on a spinning reel, and since Basil clarified that they can be a problem with slipping, I admitted that using tape is best and the conventional reel info did not always apply to it.

I don't care how you load your spectra....whatever works best for you. Everyone should get the whole picture and accurate info and saying the JB info presented is wrong is not accurate.

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