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Old 03-16-2004, 10:54 AM
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I am some what of a novice Striper Fishing. I have done a good amount of hit or miss blue fishing as a kid. I say hit or miss becuase we were never really serious about it. We were just out to catch dinner....

Now I have done some striper fishing with my uncle who is pretty serious about it. We have almost exclusively used Wireline with tubes or bucktails (with pork rinds). We jigged this at about a 3 knot troll. It seems pretty effective.

Here is my issue. My kids really love the excitement of fishing. They are 8, 6 and 5 years old. They love to see a big bass come over the gunnel. They obviously can't handle a 10 lbs. or bigger striper....just not strong enough. After we (the adults) have caught our share, I will hold the rod and let them crank on the reel to "catch" a striper. We also mix it up with some bottom fishing for Scup, so that they really get to land one of their own. This keeps them into it.

The question I have is the best method to catch stripers and blues with out jigging.....

The kids can't jig with wireline. The rod would fall over or their arms would fall off. I can't drive the boat, jig and fish alone with only the three of them on board.

What works best for striper on a troll. I am familiar with Rappalla and Rebel lures. They seem fine for blues, but stripers don't seem to go for them. Or I am just not doing it right...
Should I use wireline or go with something else?

BTW, I will be fishing the Elizabeth Islands, MV, Horseshoe, Hooters, Squib......

Help from the real experts needed....
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Old 03-16-2004, 11:25 AM
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Just drift eels with 3/4 ounce egg sinkers sliding on the main line. That seems to get them for me.
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Old 03-16-2004, 11:51 AM
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Get yourself anchored up and chum for those stripers w/ spinning rods. Use circle hooks and set the rods in the holders. The kids won't have to touch the rod until it's painfully obvious that a fish is on there! The lighter spinning rods will be easier for them to handle.

Even if the action isn't hot and heavy, the kids will get a kick out of ladleing the nasty, stinky mix of ground up fish over the side.
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Old 03-16-2004, 12:23 PM
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Parapapam, Get some slugos and head over to the Waquoit jettys,cant miss spot for schoolies
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Old 03-16-2004, 03:30 PM
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Parapapam,

I've had great luck chumming/chunking for stripers here in Boston.

First, find some structure. Check out a chart or ask at the local tackle shop. You'll need to know which way the current is flowing and anchor about 100' up-current.

Second, get yourself some bait (I use frozen herring, mackerel, or pogies).

Third, rig up a couple of medium weight spinning rods (10-15lb) with a 25lb flurocarbon or mono leader and a 4/0 or 6/0 circle hook.

Grab a bait fish, cut yourself a good sized chunk(2"-3") as a hook bait and cut up the rest of the bait as chum (smaller the better). Throw in a scoop of chum and drift your bait back in the slick.
Remembering that chunks of bait don't swim, when you feel the bait pulling away, flip the bail over and hold on.
The kids can fight the fish from the rod-holder if necessary.
I think the best times are an hour before through an hour after high tide. There will usually be a lull at slack water.

If you want to troll I use 3"-4" Yo-Zuri and Rapala plugs trolled at about 4kts. I prefer black backs with silver or white sides. I use the same spinning rod set up as chumming/chunking.

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Old 03-16-2004, 03:55 PM
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The circle hooks sound like a good idea. I also jig for smaller live mackeral for bait and toss them towards rocks. Many 36+ keepers that way.
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Old 03-16-2004, 04:29 PM
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As soon as I saw "striper" I had to jump in! Why not try trolling tube and worm? It's a deadly effective way to catch nice fish and you're moving along (Very slow!) Lead core is great and not hard to handle with level wind, but you can shallow troll them with mono as well, around some good structure.. the kids AND you will probably love it.....
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Old 03-16-2004, 04:53 PM
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Thanks Guys!!! Keep the suggestions coming!

Capt Charlie, how do you "drift your bait back in the slick. "

I am assuming that you mean that I just have a line, swivel and hook....
or do I need some sort of float?

As for structure, thanks for the advice. I am pretty familiar with the area.
I have boated here for a long time. I have casually kept my eye on were people
were fishing and if they were catching any thing. Of course which area are
HOT that particular week or day would be good to know. We can talk about that
as the season goes on. Hopefully, I will be able add some good tips to the conversation.

Endorfin, what do you mean by "worm?" Are you talking about plain old sea worms that I pick up for scup? And how slow is slow...when trolling with tubes? Lastly, do you prefer lead core or wireline...and of course why is one better than the other....

You guys are the best. Thanks!!
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Old 03-16-2004, 05:05 PM
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Try to get your chunk bait to sink at the same rate as the chum pieces you're throwing in. The more natural the presentation, the more fish you'll catch. Just keep your bail open and slowly feed the line out.
I rarely use any weight, unless the current is ripping. If I do use weight it's usually just a few split shot.
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I'm with Capt. Charlie on this but want to add a thought. If the kids are boys you might also want to try drifting some eels. I find girls ( any age ) don't much like them. But the boys look at them as part of snakes, snails and puppy dog tails....
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Another method to consider is Fin S' on 1/2 oz jig heads. I generally use a 6 1/2' spin stick with small spinning reel, something with a line capacity of 175 yards of 20# Power Pro braid with a 6' leader of 20# flourocarbon. Many plastics will work with this method, it keeps the kids busy and when they hook up, that smile is priceless. I always have at least a couple rods set up like this to flip to working birds or passing schools of fish.

Tight lines and sharp hooks

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Old 03-16-2004, 06:10 PM
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Yes, plain old seaworms--the bigger the better.. and the slower the better; like if you're out of neutral you're going too fast--barely moving, and it deters the blues who love them as well. There have been some great articles in On the Water about trolling tubes.Do you read that? It's great, especially for the Cape... do you fish the Elizabeths?
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Old 03-16-2004, 08:36 PM
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Endorfin,

I haven't read On The Water more than a couple of times...when I find it in magazine stands or in the airport. I should subscribe. I do fish the Elizabeths but as I said, I am certainly no expert. Quicks Hole or Sow and Pigs reef. I am never too comfortable getting too far out of the channel in Wood's Hole.....then there is Middle Ground and Lucas shoal. Never had much luck in Robinson's hole....but that may just be me.

One of my favorite things is a just a slow troll up one side of the Island chain and down the other. This is not the best way to get the fish. But I don't care. Half the fun is just going slow, looking at the beautiful islands and enjoying the time on the boat. Followed by a swim in Hadley's or Tarpoline....

GAWD just wrting this in the snow storm we are seeing tonight makes me miss summer even more!!!! When will winter end????
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Stripa,

I have a couple of 6 1/2 foot Ugly Sticks with Penn 4500 spinning reels on them? Too light or will they do?
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Old 03-17-2004, 07:44 AM
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Parapapam,
Lots of good advice provided. I've weened my two sons on the New England fishing. They are big guys now, but still occasionally prefer to fish in the mode of thier first experiances in a boat. That is drifting for Fluke, Bluefish, Black Bass and the occasional Striper. Find a good area with structure and current of .2 to .5 of a knot or a prevailing wind to provide the drift. Structure can be rocks, ledge and hard sand mixed to provide bottom contour and ambush stations for the predators. Use just enough lead to maintain contact with the bottom without having to use too much line and subsequent belly. About 15 to 20 degrees of line angle from the rod tip indicates a good drift if you can maintain contact with the bottom. Use a fish finder or 3-way rig and single hook on each rod for the youngsters; more that one hook will cause problems in the boat with young folk. I typically use 2/0 or 3/0 Kahle hook size when drifting. Bait is next, squid is good either strip or whole for small squid. My favorite is Bluefish belly strips about 7 to 10" long. Bluefish is oily and the belly skin is very reflective. I find it works better for Fluke that all baits except live bait. Fluke belly is a close second for other Fluke but does not tempt as many Black Sea Bass. Stripers and Blues will suck down any good sized chunk drifting along the bottom, if they are present. Eels are good but expensive and prone to cigar butt bite offs by Blues. Save them for later when the kids are bigger and more coordinated, then take them to the major rips and structure where you soak the eels and expect bigger fish
That being said, I would not recommend starting the little guys off on trolling, lead line or most definitely wire line. Its just too difficult for the little ones. If you are the only adult and driving boat, watching the rods, taking up on a hooked fish, backing down on a fouled rig and watching the kids all at the same time; nobody will be enjoying the event. Like I said as a family the boys and I do enjoy drifting for an assorted bag of fish that are all excellent eating. However, most of the fishing season (mid June to early Nov) we now pull wire. I can drive and call out depth to the guys and they do the rest. By the way if you do want to pull wire or lead line for bass, keep the speed to less than 2 kts and get that tube and worm just off the bottom where you are marking fish. 3 kts gets alot more Blues than Bass. 2 kts and less can be difficult maintain dependent on your choice of power ( I bump my inboard diesel in and out of gear) and wind/current, but it does pay big dividends.
Take the kids fishing because the joy on their face when they are having the time of their life is priceless. Last year my older son (28) took the biggest Striper for the year 52#+ out at Southwest Ledge BI. The look on his face when we boated the fish was like looking at a child getting a dream gift. I guess for him it was.
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You want an alternate method for catching large bass try this. If you do not yet have a downrigger get one, slowly troll (1-2mph) a live eel approx 5' off the bottom, use a 10' flourocarbon leader.
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Parapapam,

With the Penn reels, I would use Berkley Fireline XDS. It has a coating on it and seems to behave better on the Penn reels. The reels were not designed for braid, the reels that are have a large roller bearing in the bail to reduce twist. Power Pro does and will knot up if your not careful with the slack line during hard jigging. I use rods with stiff tips for better control, I don't see why the Ugly sticks wouldn't work once you get a cadence that imparts the action the fish want that day. I use light and dark colors all the time, sometimes they want white, 10 minutes later they won't look at it and they want brown, blue etc. Sluggo's are always a favorite, white or sand eel colored, with and without a jighead.

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Old 03-17-2004, 11:54 AM
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Thanks Guys. I can't wait to try these suggestions. My kids can't wait either.
We have a loft in the house. Every night I come home to string with bent paper
clips hanging from the loft. They have some stuff animal fish... You should hear
some of the conversations....

"Ben, I told you that your rod couldn't handle a blue fin tuna. That is why it broke..."

The "rod" is just a stick from the back yard....too cute.
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If you have not seen this site already check it out. There is a ton of info here and many helpful folks as well.

http://www.striped-bass.com/

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Old 03-18-2004, 10:54 PM
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Parapapam,

I fish out of Tashmoo. Many of the places you mention are good but some of the spots are very large and the actual places that hold fish might be very small. Also, you need to pay attention to the tides. Personally, I'd used use some heavier tackle. I use 4500's for Albies or Bonito and the problem is you might hook up a much larger fish. A 975 might work well for Fluke and smaller bass and it's size would probably work well for the kids with smaller fish. Some of the graphite reels would probably be the best route as they are light weight for the kids to handle yet are available for higher line test. I think if your drifting live bait you might want to consider using 50 lb. test line w/ 8/0-9/0 circles. Otherwise you might end up losing lots of line and terminal tackle. Braided line will let the kids feel every bump on every grain of sand and might lead to a lot of false alarms to begin with but when a fish hits they will know it. Hope this helps.
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