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Old 03-02-2004, 08:20 PM
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Default Possible Fluke Reg's. for 2004 Long Island Area

Just an update on the possible fluke regs. for this year. A while ago I posted about 7 proposals on the fluke regs. for this year............

From what I have been hearing 3 fish 18" from May 1---Sept. 15... that was one of the propsals.....it is not finalized yet......... I am sure there are going to hold more meeting before the season opens>>>>>>>>>>>>>has any one heard anything else different......may have more infor at the meeting Sat. night.

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Old 03-03-2004, 07:09 PM
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Hanky...from what I heard the meeting is taking place in VA. for 3/3 - 3/8, who knows what the outcome will be..but I heard the same thing as a whisper.

Not to crazy about Some of the guys who fish the bays may not see a keeper.

It will hurt some fluke touneys for sure.
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Old 03-09-2004, 12:42 PM
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3-18" is totally ridiculous!!!
I fish outside Fire Island Inlet and to spend dollars on gas (that they predict will be over $ 3.00 per gallon) and hopefully, and I mean hopefully catch three over 18" is obsurd.
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Old 03-11-2004, 07:18 AM
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Is this final yet.
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Old 03-11-2004, 07:28 AM
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MOGROD- Not final, yet.

Should hear within the next week to 10 days. General consensus and "rumors" is that the popular vote among fisherman who expressed their "wishes" was for the option of 18.5 " /7 fish and NO closure. "Rumor" says the "brainiacs" at the council felt that a partial closure is "required" . So, it "appears" that they went with the next tabled option (the one HANKY posted) rather than creating a new compromise like 18.5 /7 fish WITH a closure!

We went through this last year, with the final out come NOT being the death sentence that was rumored. Hopefully, history will repeat.

OTOH- Anyone know the BEST bait for Sea Robins?
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By BigE: OTOH- Anyone know the BEST bait for Sea Robins?
YES, whatever is on my hook apparently!!! But I will tell you this, beleive it or not, thems are some good eats!!! After somebody posted here how to clean them and that they tasted pretty good a few years ago, I tired it. Man they were not kidding. I don't know why we throw them back!! Kind of a pain to clean, but man they deep fry GOOD!!!!! Then again, it takes me a 1/2 hour to filet a fluke for heavens sake. Somebody needs to teach me how to filtet faster. Unforetunetly I don't get alot of practice...

The other fish that is good we throw back is the Sand sharks. Man, I was starving two years ago while living "on the hook" out at Block Island for a few days. So we fished for an hour litterally to try to catch somethig for dinner. After catching about 10 dogs, we caught a pretty big one and deciced, well, were hungry enough, let try it. So we cut it open and bled it right away (as was told), threw it on ice, and then put it on the BBQ wrapped with foil with chopped onions and tomato. DELECIOS!! My only question is whether it's leagal or not. Do they fall into the Sharks catagory and must be 54" or can we eat em all, or what??
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Old 03-11-2004, 01:05 PM
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sea robins are great fluke bait!! if the fluke are cominbg up dark use the light side of the sea robin, if the fluke are comming up light use the dark side of the robin.
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Old 03-11-2004, 02:29 PM
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Been eating B-52's and doggies for years. Arthur Treachers was using the dog fish caught on the other side of the "Big Pond" in their fish and chips. Like you mentioned, they gots to be cleaned and iced pronto! I got a good recipe for Blackened Birds and Doggie Scampi if you want them!

I'm almost positive that the size limit applies to pelagic sharks of which the doggies are not. Never thought about it though, so it would be wise to check. Seeing as the NMFS idiots are reducing the legal fish we can catch, we better be legal on the trash fish.

BTW- Have you tried using a lawn edger to fillet fluke?
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Old 03-11-2004, 03:58 PM
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You guys eat dog fish bait.... yes How about skate wings you try them yet. I heard some resterurants are seving them now and charing a small forune for a dish. We all might be tryiong this if these regs are cut to the bone

When the fluke arrive I have one reciepe that will knock you socks off, involving, garlic, fresh spinach, and feta cheese

I made it at Davis Park once and people who don't eat fish put on the old feed bag for this one, especially when they are caught in the morning.

I would love for them to come out with something we all can live with as far as bag limits, 3 fish that really sucks

I hate to say it but the DEC will be busy this year
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Old 03-11-2004, 06:19 PM
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If they stick with the 3 fish at 18" that is going to be rough. The guys that fish on the inside will have trouble taking anything home.

Hey Parkerman, I am interested in that recipe. I may also need a good cod recipe, I just got a spot on the Capt Mark http://www.captmark.net/the_boat.asp out of Montuak for next friday.

I am itchin to get my boat in the water, I am going to rip off the shrinkwrap this weekend.
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Old 03-11-2004, 06:59 PM
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Sounds like you guys are training for that "Survivor" show on TV, geeez , what's next? Spider crab with drawn butter, and a side of deep fried starfish!
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Old 03-11-2004, 07:21 PM
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Hey Mike...so ya going with Capt Mark, any openings left? Good choice, nice seaworhty boat, warm good fisherman and genreally a nice guy. Would love to hook up with you guys for a cod trip.

Ok the reciepe

Take your fillets and and half them if you fillet the whole one side.

Lay them out on a platter in the fridge while you do the next move.

Take a sautee pan ( non stick) put some butter and garlic cloves in it, fresh of course.

Have some nice fresh spinach ready to go. Once the butter and the garlic cook a bit throw in the spinach, maybe a little water to steam it, so the spinach cooks down.

Now mix in some cream cheese, table spoon or 2, this will make the spinach stick together, almost like a paste. Make sure you have enough C/C in there to make it sticky. Let it cool for a few minutes. You DON"T want to put a hot paste on cold fish!

Lay the fillets out and spead your spinach mix on the fillet, sprinkle some feta chees on top. Just don't nuts over the spinach spread because they will be rolled up in the fillet.

Roll these up a stick a toothpick in it to hold them together.

Place in baking dish for an oven ( 400 degree), or alumuminun tray for the BBQ.
Put a little better on top of each fillet, some paprika or whatever your heart desires cover with aluminmum top and bake.

Depending on temp. of the BBQ and amount of fillets in the tray will determine cooking time. Once they are all white throughout they are done.

One tip, I would not make one HUGE tray for a lot of people, Use 2 or more smaller trays (12X!12) is fine. This way the oustside rollups don't overcook.

Serve with some wild rice and a salad makes a great meal for the summer. You will be full but not over stuffed. Like that makes a differnce to some of us.

Of course having a few sips while doing this is mandatory. No not that white lightning we had, YOU ALL wouldn't taste the fish

Now if we had some decent bag limits this would be great for a party.

Hope you enjoy it.

Got a nice easy one for bass also.
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COD Reciepe.

I don't have any real good recipes for cod as they do not freeze that well.

But if you have them cut into steaks with the skin on the might be good for the BBQ with some seasoning or marinated.

Calling Capt Mark now for next Friday...heard a of of good things about him also.
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Parkerman, thanks for the recipe. I am going to cut/paste/print and give it to the wife. I catch em, she cooks em. My kids love fresh fish too. I just might have another spot if you are really interested. We have Friday a week from tommorow. He says if the weather is good he might want to to leave at 4:00 a.m. and get to his spot at sun up. That means leaving around 2:00 a.m. If you can do it, send me a tackle box message or an e-mail. Right now I think we have the six pack but we always lose one or two guys as the day gets closer. I have heard nothing but great things about the Cap and his boat.
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Old 03-12-2004, 06:32 AM
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This was in this mornings New York Post:

FOR SALTWATER ANGLERS, A BITTER PILL
Email Archives Print ReprintMarch 12, 2004 -- SALTWATER fishing season is a week away - but it will be anything but upbeat; especially with the new regulations New York anglers will now have to endure.

Summer flounder and scup have come under the gun and, as far as New York recreational anglers are concerned, both species will be cut.

If what I'm hearing is correct, New Yorkers will be looking at a season that runs from early May through roughly the middle of September. There will be an 18-inch size limit with just three fish in possession. There is also a possibility that there will be no closed season, with an 181/2-inch and three-fish bag limit, but this one may not fly.

Tom Melton, managing editor of The Fisherman magazine, had a more palatable proposal (which means it would never be accepted). Melton suggested a May-to-October season with a split bag and slot size. It would be three to five fish between 14 and 16 inches, plus one fish over 25 inches. This would give anglers a better chance at taking home fillets for the table. Melton says he's done the math and comes to about the same as 18 inches and three fish.

I've always said that - compared to what commercial anglers take - recreational anglers do not put a dent in any fishery. Draggers, haul seines, pound traps and the like can take more fish in a day than all of New York's recreational anglers can take in a month. Yet the commercial-recreational split is 60-40.

We are in this predicament because the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission determined that New York exceeded last year's allotment by 100 percent. How the ASMFC calculated these figures has been a subject of ongoing debate.

The ASMFC and the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council have agreed to revisit the unfair split, but it won't come in time to help New York anglers during the coming summer.



If New York's party and charter boat owners got together, perhaps they could file a class-action suit - since it is their businesses that will be devastated by the new regulations.

It looks as if you'll be able to keep just 20 scup at 11 inches this season, which is down from 50 fish at 10 inches.

The worst part of all this is that it comes at a time when both species appear to have reached the healthiest numbers in recent memory. Catches of fluke have been solid, especially off the East End, and the porgies seem so ubiquitous that you cannot get away from them.

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I spent a few minutes yesterday reading my New Jersy Angler Magazine that had a couple articles about the fluke situation in it. BTW, if you fish NJ and don't get this mag, you're nutz, it always has the best info in it..

If every fluke fisherman in NY does not join some sort of organized group to fight this, you deserve what you get. The basis for this dramatic change is the assumption that the fluke quota in NY was over by over 100% last year, and there has to be payback. Let's just think back a minute... bad spring fishing...not great summer fishing...windy rainy fall fishing... there is NO way that the quota was even met, let alone exceeded..

Now let's look at the NJ situation... a little payback due since the recs in NJ overfished by 9%... wait a minute.. the guys in North Jersy fish the same basic fishery as most of the guys in Western LI and the city, and the weather pattern dictating allowable fishing weather is exactly the same, but there is a dramatic difference in end result.. unless of course you guys in NY are convinced that you are that much better fisherman than us Jersey boys (I don't think so....)

Here is the way I see it... it is bad science, bad assessment. The process that fisheries managers use to gauge the catch and the health of the fisheries is so poorly designed that two states, right next to each other, with the same patterns have profoundly different results.. it just can't be.

So I repeat myself... again and again... get involved in an organization... I am on the RFA Board in PA and this is not a membership pitch for my group... just get involved SOMEHOW... or forget the taste of fresh fish my friends.. and the joys of fishing. There is big money directed by strange people that want to take away yours, and your kids rights to fish and keep fish... and if you sit on your a** drinkin beer and bitchin to your buddy about this instead of going to a meeting once every three months or so or mailing in an occasional letter as directed by your group, you are as guilty as the people tryting to take away your rights.

OK, that's enough soapbox for me today.. got my launch date (March 29th) and can't cross days off the calandar fast enough!
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Ed....This has been a hot topic on a few boards, not just here. I understand what you are trying to explain but some people are a bit leary of joining groups like the CCA and the RFA as there are huge associations and maybe have some fear that there little voice will not be heard or worse yet not even considered

Maybe if you could explain the difference between the 2 groups and what there goals are you might have more interest by the average JOE who doesn't keep up with the legeal battles.

The way the ASMFC collects data for the rec guy is so bogus some of us figure it is just govm't in action and no matter what you do or say, The people,in the background with the big bucks will by political influence and stick it to us no matter what we do. I have been fishing these waters for over 20 years and never been asked what my catch was for the day. Seems they go after the P.B and charter crowd more as they have easy access to there docks and are like clock work pulling into there slips

Don't get me wrong you have my attention without a doubt from what I understand the RFA is 35 bucks for a yearly memebership

If you can please post the difference between the 2 groups and name there objectives, also please post where you can get applications for memebrship for either one of these groups.

Another way to try and build memebrship is maybe list some of the larger groups in a whole who belong to these such as say the NY Marine Trades Assoc., they have more to lose then just 3 fish a day. There the ones who sell the boats and supplies for our boats. I am sure there is a bunch of them besides the little guy.

As for us in NY please post who we can contact for the RFA either, e-mail, phone or an address where we can write to would be helpful
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mogrod,You wont have to worry about the new regs ,you never catch more than 3 fish a day any way.Ha ha Grumpy
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your not kidding grumpy, but he says its all about looking good on the water. He has all those shiny new rods and reels to show off around the inlet this year...........Jopep
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It would be my pleasure to discuss the differences of CCA and RFA, but frankly, I really want to be totally impartial and do not want to add any editorial opinions on the varied differences between the two organizations.. they are both strong, have value, and have voice. Incidently, on some issues, their position is exactly the same and they join forces.... along with other groups like the United Boatmans Association, The Jersey Coast Anglers, and many others across the country.

I would encourge everyone to visit both organization's websites to read their position statements and draw their own conclusions on which is a better fit for their personal position.

You can read about and contact the RFA at www.savefish.com

You can read about and contact the CCA at www.joincca.com

As far as being concerned that an individuals voice would be lost among the crowd, I can only say that in any organization there are both active and passive participants. There is room in both of these organizations for both, depending entirly on personal preference... you can join a committee, help out at shows, help debate policy, help create structure... or you can send in your membership check and send e-mails and/or snail mail when asked to do so... either way, you are being heard and you are having an impact. By the way, you also get to meet lots of other guys that have the same interests as you do, and lots of new opportunities to learn how to be a better fisherman.

This is an increasingly more political and less biological arena... and that is a shame. Not being involved is like driving past you polling place on election day and not making the time to stop in and vote... and then spending the next four years bad mouthing the elected official... it is more your fault than the folks that voted for the guy you don't like....

I hope the links help, and I truly hope those of you that are sitting on the sidelines get in the game... in what ever degree you are comfortable with...

Keep in mind, the motivation is that there are people out there that want to take away what you have... and they will get it, if you don't do something about it.

Back off the soapbox....
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