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Old 03-09-2008, 02:25 PM
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Curious if anyone has had experience with either (or both). Looking at a 30# reel, want something a little beefier than a TLD25 but don't want to drop the coin on a high-end option. This will be the reel used to drop those large blue runners, the ones too big to hang from the kites, about 25-30 down in search of a wahoo or possible marlin that run through South Fla this time of year. I've not used a Tyrnos or Daiwa SLD but have heard good things about both, and the price is right on both.
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I haven't used a Tyrnos, but I have two Daiwa 2-speed SLD 30's and love them. I'm actually getting ready to buy two more before the summer.. For the price, they're hard to beat....
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I have had 5 Tyrnos for about a year and love them. Great all-around versatility and good value. Good luck!!
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Default Re: 2 speeds: Tyrnos and Daiwa SLD?

Both nice reels but I'd take the SLD.
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i'm not a big fan of the the daiwa sld after trying to work on a couple two years ago. and i have yet to even crack open a tyrnos. it's funny, the shimano tld's have remained so intensely popular on the west coast and they are nearly all i see for basic trolling reels. if you're looking a less than 20 pounds of drag at strike for the fishing that you do, i think the shimano tld 20 two speed remains an excellent choice and an excellent value. now, if they could just do something about that stubby handle ........
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Default Re: 2 speeds: Tyrnos and Daiwa SLD?

I too am getting ready to purchase several tyronos, but I still don't see the need for a two speed reel in the 30lb class. Maybe you can enlighten me. I have personally have never need a two speed feature with such light gear.
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if you're looking a less than 20 pounds of drag at strike for the fishing that you do, i think the shimano tld 20 two speed remains an excellent choice and an excellent value. now, if they could just do something about that stubby handle ........
There's nothing wrong with the TLDs, but the way I looked at it, I was faced with a graphite reel or a aluminum reel for the same price... My local tackle shop has a 5 gallon bucket full of broken TLD frames, so for me that was the convincer....

What didn't you like about the insides of the SLD?
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if you're looking a less than 20 pounds of drag at strike for the fishing that you do, i think the shimano tld 20 two speed remains an excellent choice and an excellent value. now, if they could just do something about that stubby handle ........
There's nothing wrong with the TLDs, but the way I looked at it, I was faced with a graphite reel or a aluminum reel for the same price... My local tackle shop has a 5 gallon bucket full of broken TLD frames, so for me that was the convincer....

What didn't you like about the insides of the SLD?
I agree, I have actually fished TLD's for so long I cant remember, but I too have actually had one crack and break when under a havy drag load. Thats why I was going to switch to the tyronos.
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I too am getting ready to purchase several tyronos, but I still don't see the need for a two speed reel in the 30lb class. Maybe you can enlighten me. I have personally have never need a two speed feature with such light gear.
I use them for general trolling and very rarely use the low speed retrieve. In a typical day of (way) offshore fishing, we could be looking at schoolie dolphin or 50+ lb yellowfin.. So, not all of our targeted fish are the same relative size... So, we could use heavier gear, but 50lb gear would be overkill for most fish. However, the 30-2 speeds are a great compromise because they're not too heavy for small fish, and with the low speed, we're not outmatched by the occasional big wahoo or tuna that may show up...
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After doing Alans upgrade on the 6 TLD25's I have we went out Amberjack fishing after trolling. We set out to see how much these reels would take. I had also put on the Get Strapped brackets on the reels to take the twisting presure off the frame. We tryed our best but couldnt get one to pop. If you ask me they are definatly one of the best reels on the market for the money.
This is after the upgrades:

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i'm at a disadvantage because i'm out on the west coast and fishing is much different that what you have on the east coast. for us, a tld 20 single speed reel would be loaded with straight 40-50 # mono and the drags would be set to 30% or 12-15#'s at strike. a tld 25 single speed would be loaded with straight 50-60# mono and the same 30% drag setting of 15-18#'s at strike. now, a stock tld 20/25 is going to have a little trouble reaching that level of performance. compounding the problem is the stock canvas drag washer. if it sticks, the drag can suddenly surge and i'm guessing that's what lead to the frame failures that you guys are seeing.

so basically my solutions for these problems were as follows..... replace the stock white canvas drag washer with a greased carbonex washer at a cost of $20, replace the short stubby stock handle with a larger offset handle ($37), clean out the bearings for better freespool, and rearrange the belleville washers from "()()" to "((())" and shim the drag pressure plate to increase the drag range from 12#'s at strike to 24#'s at strike before losing freespool. hotrodding service like this will typically cost $40 and take about an hour, but you CAN do the work yourself. the rebuild post is on this board and many others. now, i believe that the single speed tld frames can easily handle 20#'s at strike with an acceptably low risk of failure. for lack of any data or personal experience, i do not recommend that you exceed 20#'s at strike. that means that the tld 20/25 reels are best suited for straight mono and do not have the drag range to take full advantage of the new spectras.

guys, in defense of the tld series, i think they are great reels. fish them within these parameters and i believe you will never have problems with them. getting back to auburn1's questions, i would use a tld 15! of course, we'd have to modify it a little .........
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I wish I knew of your hot rod sooner. Thats exactly what happened in our case was the drag actually started sticking which ultimately led to frame failure. I have used these reel for years and only had that happen once while fighting a large tiger shark. Other than that one incident they have been pretty flawless and were always my goto reel for white marlin. However, I think the tyronos might be a better reel stock and not require any messing with. I think the new tyronos reels come stock with the carbon washers. Does anyone know?
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alantani - 3/12/2008 10:43 AM

i'm at a disadvantage because i'm out on the west coast and fishing is much different that what you have on the east coast. for us, a tld 20 single speed reel would be loaded with straight 40-50 # mono and the drags would be set to 30% or 12-15#'s at strike. a tld 25 single speed would be loaded with straight 50-60# mono and the same 30% drag setting of 15-18#'s at strike.
Capacity would be the issue with heavy line on a smaller reel. I prefer mono when doing anything except wreck/bottom fishing, and some of the high speed gamefish that are around from now until fall can empty 350 yards (rare but possible) unless you can chase them, which kites and a sea anchor often inhibit.
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i think the single speed tyrnos has a white canvas drag washer. same problem all over again.

for what you guys are fishing for, if you're saying that a fish can empty a spool of 350 yards of 30# mono with 10#'s of drag, my first guess would be to go to a heavier drag setting, not more line. when ever someone says that they got spooled, my first questions is about the drag setting. again, i'm on the wrong coast to know for sure. alan
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alantani - 3/12/2008 9:15 PM

i think the single speed tyrnos has a white canvas drag washer. same problem all over again.

for what you guys are fishing for, if you're saying that a fish can empty a spool of 350 yards of 30# mono with 10#'s of drag, my first guess would be to go to a heavier drag setting, not more line. when ever someone says that they got spooled, my first questions is about the drag setting. again, i'm on the wrong coast to know for sure. alan
Damn I though shimano would have upgraded the drags on these reels. I'm going to see if I can find out today for sure what kind of drage they have. As far as getting spooled, Al if your ever out here in the summer, I'll have to take you fishing. I have only had it happen a couple times, but when a pack of big eyes comes into your spread they can dump a fully spooled 50 with 15lbs of drag in less than a minute.
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hey Al heres the schematics on the tyronos, is it possible to ell from the picture what kind of drag this reel has?

http://fish.shimano.com/publish/cont...5TYR30.pdf.pdf
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if it sticks, the drag can suddenly surge and i'm guessing that's what lead to the frame failures that you guys are seeing.

so basically my solutions for these problems were as follows..... replace the stock white canvas drag washer with a greased carbonex washer at a cost of $20, replace the short stubby stock handle with a larger offset handle ($37), clean out the bearings for better freespool, and rearrange the belleville washers from "()()" to "((())" and shim the drag pressure plate to increase the drag range from 12#'s at strike to 24#'s at strike before losing freespool. hotrodding service like this will typically cost $40 and take about an hour, but you CAN do the work yourself. the rebuild post is on this board and many others. now, i believe that the single speed tld frames can easily handle 20#'s at strike with an acceptably low risk of failure. for lack of any data or personal experience, i do not recommend that you exceed 20#'s at strike. that means that the tld 20/25 reels are best suited for straight mono and do not have the drag range to take full advantage of the new spectras.

guys, in defense of the tld series, i think they are great reels. fish them within these parameters and i believe you will never have problems with them. getting back to auburn1's questions, i would use a tld 15! of course, we'd have to modify it a little .........
Not bashing the TLDs at all, because I really do like them, but you're spending around $100.00 to upgrade a reel to do something that it's really not designed for... Why not just go with a Daiwa SLD 30 (either single speed for less $$ - or 2-speed for $50.00 more) and not have to deal with any of these problems or risk the frame breaking.... Yeah, it's marginally heavier, but if you're fishing for fish that require 40 - 60 lb mono and high drag settings, why not use a reel more suited for it?? For light trolling, I love the TLDs, but upgrading the heck out of them to get the same performance as another reel on the market (and still risking it breaking) just doesn't make sense to me... I have always been a Shimano guy, but I have never heard anyone say anything bad about the Daiwa's (before Al's post here, which he still hasn't explained) and after owning two of them for a year, I like them much more than the TLDs, hands down...
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A few reasons we did it. We did alot of light trolling Kings small dolphin etc. I started offshore fishing and it was much cheaper to upgrade the six reels then to buy Six new reels. It cost me 35.00 dollars a reel when I did the upgrade that was a total of $210. That is cheap compare to six new reels.Now if you do it yourself Alans price for parts is only $57 a reel and $346 for six. That made more economical sense. I used the set of six for 3 years offshore before I bought my new set of offshore reels. I still have the TLDs and plan on keeping them great reels you can do just about everything with the TLD 25 when you are starting out....Mark
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edsmith03 - 3/13/2008 6:23 AM

... but I have never heard anyone say anything bad about the Daiwa's (before Al's post here, which he still hasn't explained) and after owning two of them for a year, I like them much more than the TLDs, hands down...
oops, sorry about not addressing that. the down side of the daiwa sld is trying to service it yourself. i worked on two. they were both nightmares. for me, that was the major detractor.

here are what i see as the positives of the daiwa sld lever drags. they have an all aluminum chassis (no graphite to break), the spool spins like crazy, the stock handle arm is longer, and the handle grip is a decent size. for items that are neutral, it has a funky looking dark red drag washer material. i have no idea what it is. it is also set up to deliver a standard 17-18#'s of drag at strike before losing freespool, same as the stock shimano tld 20/30 two speed and the stock avet ex/exw 4/0 and 4/02. the downside for me is the difficulty in servicing the reel. if you are just going to send it in to the manufacturer when i has problems, then suddenly that disadvantage disappears.

the thing that's nice about the shimano tld line is that they are a piece of cake to work on. i mean, i actually LIKE working on the shimano tld's. the two speed reels already have greased carbon fiber drag washers. the single speed tld's can easily be upgraded to greased carbon fiber. there are a couple of nice handle upgrades (mine are pretty cheap). and maybe this is just me, but i think most 5 year old graphite shimano tld's look better than most other aluminum framed reels when it comes to boat rash and general abuse. on the down side, the tld graphite frames will crack under a high enough load. we can dance around that one by just keeping the strike drag under 20#'s.

now, i know some of you guys HAVE to be fishing heavier than 20#'s at strike. for you, the shimano tld line is probably not your best bet. you might then ask what a good choice for a reel would be. my answer has always been "the reel that you can service yourself!" for reels that deliver 20-50#'s at strike, there are the "4/0" or "30 something" sized reels like the avet ex 4/0 and 4/02, the avet 30's, the daiwa sld 20/30 II (if you can figure them out!), the tiagras, the penn internationals, okuma gold and accurates, and of course, 50 and 80 versions of any of these. and all of these reels can benefit from a little hotrodding. but then, you knew that already!
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the down side of the daiwa sld is trying to service it yourself. i worked on two. they were both nightmares. for me, that was the major detractor.
Gotcha! This isn't a concern for me, as I bring my reels to my local tackle shop for service each year, or if something goes wrong (not that it ever has with a SLD, but still... ). Never thought about that concern, but it would definitely be something to consider if you do your own reel service....

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