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Old 05-19-2007, 07:48 AM
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Default straight butt vs curved butt - what are the advantages??

Can someone explain the difference in lifting power between the two. And when is a curved butt rod appropriate - when is a straight butt rod appropriate.

I know the difference when a curved butt rod is used in a aft mounted swivel rod holder -

I believe there is a difference in how the lifting force is transmitted to the tip of rod
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Old 05-19-2007, 10:53 AM
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My wife has a curved bu...... oh, wrong thread.
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Old 05-19-2007, 11:31 AM
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The curved butt allows for the rod to lay out at an angle with the reel remaining close to your body where yours hands and arms are stronger, not being extended away from you. These work in a chair well, but can be a bit more difficult at the rail on doulble hooks up when one angler has to go high and the other low to unwind the lines from crossing fish. With a CB, one guy has to unstrap the rod from his harness and hold it high to go high behind the other.

On a strait butt, the rod is kept in a more vertical position to also keep the reel close to your body and the tip needs to be designed to arc more to make a tighter bend that is also closer to your body, and this creates less leverage against the fishermen, as the force is also more up and down, than extended away from you like on a bent butt.

I prefer a strait butt as I fish without a chair in smaller boats where space is at a premium, and I like my line to also stay higher at the tip on streaking marlin to create better tension on the fish by reducing the amount of line and resulting bow in the water when the curved butt and line is pointing west and the fish is heading south.

But every rod will perform differently with different weights, harnesses and handlers. And if one is not built right, this will be a deal breaker too no matter the style.

So I suggest you actually get in your harness and try both styles in the tackle shop lifting a bucket with some water to see if the rod flex takes the shock and weight off of you at the drag weights you want to fish. A full bucket weighs 42 lbs full, fyi.

Good rods can be inexpensive or very expensive, but are not something you can buy over the internet like reels without testing them yourself, IMO.
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The bent but enables the angler to deliver allot more drag with less stress on them than a straight but will. If your target is tuna 150 lbs and up from a private boat go with a bent but, marlin 500+ go with a bent but (tuna go deep, marlin usually don't that's why the difference). I have 2 calstar 50-130 blanks with bent buts and duel 9/0 reels with Jinka 130 on them set up for tuna in the 150-350lb range.

I have a bad back and with an OTR harness I feel no pain at all. In NC a few years ago my brother and I had numerous double hookups on 150-200lb tuna basically all day long these rods killed these fish. Five years ago I caught a 180 lb sword on the same setup in about 20 minutes. Also for not much more if you buy the unibut you can just swap the but back to a straight if you want.
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Many times people refer to "bent butt" as the standard design that is made ONLY for a fighting-chair or rodholder.

This is untrue though, because there is such thing as a "shorth bent butt". THIS particular butt is designed for STANDUP fishing purposes, not for a chair or rodholder. They have only been around for the past few years; but IMO they are much better than straight butts when fighting big fish...

 
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Squidlly,

We have been over this leverage thing time and again. This is a simple question of physics and I do not understand why it is so darn hard to grasp.

You are always stronger with a shoter rod because the tip is closer to you body, right.

On a standup rod the tip is always closer to your body if the rod is fished in an upright position as it was designed to do. Pick up a weight and support it 16" out from you chin to emulate the tip position on a standup rod.

Now pick up the same weight and hold it out away from you as far as you can reach, then imagine your arms are even 2' longer.

Get it?
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Fish over 80 lb get your self a short bent butt. 130lb tackle sit in a chair with long bent butt. I stand up with my 50-80 short bent but and when tuna go down deep there is less strain on your back. But like ubethcha said you will only reel a little in at a time.
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Bullshipper - 5/20/2007 12:22 AM

Squidlly,

We have been over this leverage thing time and again. This is a simple question of physics and I do not understand why it is so darn hard to grasp.

You are always stronger with a shoter rod because the tip is closer to you body, right.

On a standup rod the tip is always closer to your body if the rod is fished in an upright position as it was designed to do. Pick up a weight and support it 16" out from you chin to emulate the tip position on a standup rod.

Now pick up the same weight and hold it out away from you as far as you can reach, then imagine your arms are even 2' longer.

Get it?
Theres nothing for me to get. For big fish Id rather have a short bentbutt. Ask the guys that use them and you will understand.
 
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Thank you to all who answered -

I guess I will go with straight butts on my smaller rods.
I have unibutts on my larger rods with straights. I will try a short curved, but also have a chair so might also need a couple of large curved too. Here goes the budget . . .
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Old 05-21-2007, 10:10 AM
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For stand up fishing - there is no doubt that straight butts are more versatile and easier for most anglers to handle. For extra heavy duty stand up however there are a lot of top anglers including the guys from Melton's, one of whom in Squiddly's pic tied into a 952 lb Thresher in HI, that favour curved, for the same reason heavy tackle chair is best fished with a curved butt.

If you have a chair IMO you are best served with igfa class bent butt chair rods for 130 and heavy 80 (targeting bigger fish ie blue marlin), its just easier for the average angler to whip a big fish with their butt parked in the chair. For general trolling with stand up 30s, 50s and heavy 50s (with 50 lb overtest to 80 lb line) I'd go for straight butts as they are easier for most anglers to handle. If you are a heavy tackle stand up freak that simply has to fish 80-130 lb line to the max then the short curved butt may be better for you BUT if you have enough experience for that sort of thing you're already gonna have your own ideas what is best and if you don't have that experience you really should not be standing up with xxxx heavy drag settings ....
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Try em in the tackle store or on a boat before you buy. Its the only way IMO.
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Patudo - 5/21/2007 9:10 AM

For stand up fishing - there is no doubt that straight butts are more versatile and easier for most anglers to handle. For extra heavy duty stand up however there are a lot of top anglers including the guys from Melton's, one of whom in Squiddly's pic tied into a 952 lb Thresher in HI, that favour curved, for the same reason heavy tackle chair is best fished with a curved butt.

If you have a chair IMO you are best served with igfa class bent butt chair rods for 130 and heavy 80 (targeting bigger fish ie blue marlin), its just easier for the average angler to whip a big fish with their butt parked in the chair. For general trolling with stand up 30s, 50s and heavy 50s (with 50 lb overtest to 80 lb line) I'd go for straight butts as they are easier for most anglers to handle. If you are a heavy tackle stand up freak that simply has to fish 80-130 lb line to the max then the short curved butt may be better for you BUT if you have enough experience for that sort of thing you're already gonna have your own ideas what is best and if you don't have that experience you really should not be standing up with xxxx heavy drag settings ....
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I have both and always use my straight butts first. The curved butts are not easy to use if your not used to them. I bring alot of friends on the boat and the straights are just more comfortable for them and me.
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Old 05-26-2007, 12:42 AM
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I have only used straight butts and have no real interest in curved butts. What I will comment on is make sure you are getting the proper size that works for what you want to do with it. (This was not a sexual statement) Apparently, there are several different size butts that are rated for different size reels, but also have different lengths. The depth of your rod holder is important, as some of the short butts don't fit in deep rod holders. Get some info on sizes and make sure you know what you are buying.
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Look at the pic in Capt Squiddly's post and make your own conclusion. You can bet the guy is not under a huge strain but the fish is. The harness is adjusted right and the rod is bowed right. The fish is straight down and in a heap of trouble. Short bent buts are the way to go for Tuna.

Re: Fighting a fish with a rod in the holder. Shame on you. This is supposed to be "SPORT FISHING."
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A bent butt is the way to go if you are catching large fish on standup with a harness. It really relieves the strain and pressure on your legs and makes an enormous difference in your stamina.
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captpepin - 5/19/2007 The bent but enables the angler to deliver allot more drag with less stress on them than a straight but will.
Grouper2 - 5/28/2007 A bent butt is the way to go if you are catching large fish on standup with a harness. It really relieves the strain and pressure on your legs and makes an enormous difference in your stamina.

Agree with the above.

And there are differences in belts and harness's and their uses when fighting different types and sizes of fish, so if you are going to target larger fish in whatever species you are seeking, it will pay in the long run to get the right belt and harness. And don't ask just the guy in your local tackle store about belts and harness's: (1)ask other anglers who are also targeting the fish you will be after, (2)do a search here on belts & harnesses, (3)or even post a belt and harness question if you can not find a previous thread that answers your belt and harness questions (hint: if you are interested, do a search placing the words "Black Magic" in the search box and you will find information on various stand-up harness's).
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