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Old 09-13-2018, 07:57 PM
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man o man , You'll get'em B

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Old 09-14-2018, 02:11 AM
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if I recall I gave you the response everyone else wanted to.. I was just the first to post it. There's a difference between asking for help and wanting everyone else to do your research.
Oh , so you are a mind reader ? You are so in tune with the other people on this thread ? Was asking for help , but you were less than helpful . I wasn't asking for your sacred bottom numbers , just mileage so I could order the right bladder . But you had to be the internet tough guy . I have no secrets , I try and help anyone/everyone I can on here . That's what these forums are for . Who have you helped ? And who do you think you are ? The guy who posted behind you had no problems answering my questions , along with the people who sent me PM's after .

Let's be honest here , I think we both know that you wouldn't run your manpleaser like that to anyone in person , so stop being an ass .
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Old 09-14-2018, 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by EricF View Post
Jeez too much gossiping about who ran how far and fished what way, let's hear some reports (Brinkley?), or talk some technique.

If you only ever trolled as deep as 150', most often at 90-120', what spread would you run for blackfins, and what time of year would you focus around deep structure for off chance of wahoo in those shallow depths?

Not that I ever really get a chance, but usually run a small cedar plug or small feather way way way back, then an ilander jr/hoo on a light trolling lead halfway to the wwwb... Then a flippy floppy between second or third wake, and rapala magnum 30 down as far as it will go. Will fit in extra lures/baits here and there as I can. Still yet to get a blackfins, caught plenty living in Ft. Lauderdale though
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Try using the Billy Bait mini turbo slammers , Catchy tackle makes these killer prop headed lures that work well on tuna and wahoo and everything else . Also try using a smaller planer with a feather behind it , that is our main bait rig . Longer leader also help , tuna have really good eye sight .
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Old 09-14-2018, 02:35 AM
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I'm glad to hear I have a few guys pulling for me on my quest to "land" a Blue Marlin from my own boat in my own back yard. There has been a change in the tally. I've posted some pics below and I'll spoil it now, no Blue's...but the story I have is real cool non the less. We had lines in the water before the sun was up on Saturday morning in 700 feet, a little over 125 miles from Johns Pass (first Pic). This early morning spread is geared for Wahoo and Tuna and because of that I prefer to run everything further away from the back of the boat. For those who don't troll often, the two rods bending outward are being pulled off the tips of the outriggers. The one in the middle is going up to the center rigger and would be considered the "shot gun" or "way way back" but we call that position "Long Sexy". The two rods in the gunnels at each corner are our closest baits. With this spread those corner baits are run on the 4th and 5th wave back. The rigger tips are run on the 8th and 9th wave back (but by then its a guess, visual, and feel thing). And Long Sexy is 1/3 of the line capacity of a Tiagra 50 wide back.

Some might remember our discussion of the poor current patterns and poor traditional altimetry right before we left.?. Well, as we trolled, I made the decision to work the area between two clockwise currents, one right over the steps and one NW of the steps. The area between showed the "best" current or mix of current areas in our trip window. Early in the morning there was scattered weed and no structure to it. The wind was out of the E/SE and was up slightly and put the chop on the morning water seen in the first pic. We worked W/NW trying to find deeper water and structure that might hold pelagic's. By mid-morning we were covered in weed with no consistency so I went up in the tower to try to drive around the larger pads. After awhile we were in 1700 ft and from the tower, I noticed the weed was organized to our East, only a quarter mile away. I told the boys to pull everything in and I pointed the boat straight towards it, cutting across all of it. We got to the east side and while it wasn't 100% clean it was absolutely fishable. Pics 2 and 3 are of this weed line, first with the camera phone lens "normal". Notice you can see the weeds but they don't jump out at you. I noticed that when I had my polarized lenses on the weed line could be seen from a mile away, without them it blended in. Anyway, I digress, I thought it was cool how well you can see weeds with sunny's on vs. without so I snapped a pic with my Costa's over the camera lens. This weed line was in perfect cobalt blue water. It was in 1700 out to 2000 feet of water. We all agreed this is were the big things would be feeding, out here in the middle of nowhere. We followed this well organized line for over 25 miles!!!! And could have gone further. The thing was a site to behold with flying fish scattering almost on a 10-20 second basis. This thing was holding tons of bait. But, we pulled exactly 2 five pound "slinger" dolphin off of it all day. Having staked our claim, we worked it hoping the moon phase or something within the Earth would turn the bite on. It never did.

So we made our plan to swordfish "The Box" and we set a course toward that area. The sun was going down rapidly and we were miles and miles from The Weed Line. As the sun neared the horizon and the weeds in the water disappeared, I converted back to a Tuna/Wahoo spread. Everything got pushed back and we motored NE. Then it happened, first I should reiterate that all of my reels are scale set to 17 pounds of drag. Which is very heavy. In fact at 17 pounds it is nearly impossible to take a bare hand wrap on the braid and pull off line from the spool. Sh&t be tight. Pow! out of the right rigger a 50 wide is screaming. The full roller marlin rod is bent like I've never seen it before. I immediately start reeling in the left corner which I was near. Another guy, who posts on here, hits the auto retrieve buttons on the teaser reels to get them in, out of the way. Our third guy is clearing Long Sexy and our fourth is standing by the bent pole asking for guidance. We told him to pick up the rod and simply keep tension on the line as we clear the spread and get the boat ready to fight. The amazing fact is by the time we quickly cleared the lines, teasers and dredge the 50 was missing 850 yards of line!!!! That's 17 pounds of drag and 850 yards in what had to be 60 seconds tops. Now our guy has a belt, I'm at the helm and we are set. The fish never broke the surface but that is not uncommon for Blue's to eat and sound. The reel finally stopped grinding on its clicker and I told the most inexperienced blue water guy on the boat to reel like he had never reeled in his life. To help, I put the boat in gear to take up what slack I could as we believed the fish had turned and was running back at us. Our friend couldn't keep up and quickly tired of reeling and stated he would be willing to give up the rod. I hopped from the helm and started reeling like my arm was on a spinning wheel. Problem was there was absolutely no weight to it. In the end, I was handed a rod that I don't think a fish was connected to anymore. We got everything back. Main braid, mono topshot, wind on, and leader and lure....(play the sound affect of a game show loser here, wha wha whoo).

We immediately started to guess what it was, shark, marlin, yellowfin, bluefin.?.? After I spoke with a few guys more tenured at the steps than I am, they all independently believe it was a Blue Marlin. Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury. Only two fish could pull 850 yards at 17 pounds in a minute non stop, Blue Marlin or Blue Fin Tuna. The new, clear 300 pound leader is now chaffed into a bright white color from hook to its end some 9-10 feet later. And the most damning evidence is the tiny sandpaper teeth marks in the yellow heat shrink on the hook set. Those little teeth's wouldn't come from a Wahoo, Shark, or Yellowfin. So, while we didn't land a Blue, I'm chalking it up on my tally board as another Blue hooked and lost. That makes it 0 - 4 now.

There is always next time. And maybe that is the weekend we catch two in one day like "Twisted Bills" and "Hooker" both did during The Loop Tournament just 3 weeks ago.

Here is a link to a quick video one of our guys threw together. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDOopjv0Z6I







Are you positioning your hooks in your lures ?
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:05 AM
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At the very end of the skirt.
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:23 AM
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Some serious pull to get the leader chalked out! Always something out there...keeps you going back.
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Brinkley View Post
At the very end of the skirt.
There is some interesting info about hook orientation out there. I have been on several top notch Marlin boats and on a few they were very adamant about how the hook rides.

There was just a great article in Marlin Magazine about this and the hook up rates were impressive in relation to hook orientation. The article noted that by positioning the hook facing up and 10 degrees turned towards the inside of the spread fixed in the lure head the catch rate went up 80 %. The guy stated that most bites come from inside the spread and turning outside on the strike.

Personally, I never paid a lot of attention to it but I haven't caught 2000 blues either. The guy that documented this has.

That weed line you were on was impressive as was your report. The only thing I saw that bothers me is that slick calm water. With my limited experience Marlin fishing the few I have caught from my boat was when it a little sporty to say the least. I have seen many slick calm days when we had window shoppers, free jumpers and sunning fish that wanted nothing more than to get away from the boat as if we were disturbing them with our spread. I have even seen Mahi and Tuna very reluctant to feed on trolling lures when it's flat calm.

The mystery fish sounds like a big Blue one to me. We have had 2 bites in Cabo on 80's that did the same thing. The one finally jumped about 400 yards away before she threw the hook so we got to see her and she looked very big even at that distance.
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by sand key View Post
Some serious pull to get the leader chalked out! Always something out there...keeps you going back.
Damn straight and that pull was a lot more than his 17 lbs of drag pull at the hook if he had 850 yards of line out. It's hard to make the adjustment when it happens that fast but if you don't something is going to give.

Done it myself in panic mode when you think your gonna get dumped. I have even done the exact opposite of what your supposed to do and pushed the drag up. The results were not good.
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:39 AM
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should this not be int he florida georgia section.....I hate seeing this thread in the sport fishing section...just saying
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Old 09-14-2018, 07:13 AM
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Could have also been a 400lb swordfish...
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I'll add something to my remark about hook position. I originally read the question as where do I position the hook in the skirt relative from head to tail. If you buy lures "rigged" some lures can come with the hook positioned at 1/2 to 2/3 down the skirt while other lures could be rigged with the hook hanging out the bottom of the skirt with the point just past the last piece of skirt. That is what I thought was being asked. If that was the question, then I stand by my answer that I've rigged most of my lures so that the hook is right at the bottom of the skirt.

If the question was, do you position the hook up, down, 10 degrees in/out, etc then the answer is yes. I position or try to position all of my hooks up. If a lure has a hook stop (I think that is what the black rubber cork looking device on the backside of Black Bart's is called) then great I set the "hook up". If a lure doesn't come with a hook stop then I whip wax thread onto the leader, right in front of the crimp, in such a way that the lure head can be pulled down over the whipping and it will hold the hook just like a hook stop.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Brinkley View Post
At the very end of the skirt.
I like to keep my hooks at 12 o clock , most marlin lures have a holder that you can position it . If not you can buy some from Black Bart and glue them on . Some people use toothpicks to jam in to lock leader into lure head . As Bimini said marlin eat from the inside of the spread and exit to the side , so by positioning the hook that way it will increase chances of an upper mouth hookup .

I think you would benefit from using tag lines , it will raise your hookup ratio when fishing lures . It greatly reduces drop back and allows you to get a quicker hook set . When that fish mouths the lure and turns , instant hookup (most of the time ). The drop back from fishing riggers will cost you fish .

We use dacron loops on our main line set to position the lures where we want from the riggers , you can make adjustments as needed . Allows us to get our spread back in the water quickly , especially when fishing with new guys .

We use Momoi 510 lb leader , it's nice to not have to re-rig all the time . We go through multiple fish before having to re-rig , mostly 150-500 lb fish though . Our leaders are 12 ft min .

Also , try using a Zuker Mean Joe Green , it works .

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Originally Posted by Brinkley View Post
I'll add something to my remark about hook position. I originally read the question as where do I position the hook in the skirt relative from head to tail. If you buy lures "rigged" some lures can come with the hook positioned at 1/2 to 2/3 down the skirt while other lures could be rigged with the hook hanging out the bottom of the skirt with the point just past the last piece of skirt. That is what I thought was being asked. If that was the question, then I stand by my answer that I've rigged most of my lures so that the hook is right at the bottom of the skirt.

If the question was, do you position the hook up, down, 10 degrees in/out, etc then the answer is yes. I position or try to position all of my hooks up. If a lure has a hook stop (I think that is what the black rubber cork looking device on the backside of Black Bart's is called) then great I set the "hook up". If a lure doesn't come with a hook stop then I whip wax thread onto the leader, right in front of the crimp, in such a way that the lure head can be pulled down over the whipping and it will hold the hook just like a hook stop.

Yeah , I meant the latter . Sorry for the confusion , it was a late night lol Here are the hook stops from Barts

http://www.blackbartlures.com/xcart/...cat=268&page=1
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Stick with it Chad, you`ll get one. Lord knows you have paid your dues................
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Saw this but more for dead bait .
http://www.ringerswivels.com/
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Not to be a D head but ..... .
Funny, when the message starts like this, they usually are d heads!

But I don't think you were at all...I guess you will have to work on that!

I agree, I came here to see what was going on and have found this thread full of great info and reports.
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