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Old 04-27-2021, 07:09 AM
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I think most fisherman hate hand lining a long(40+ foot) leader with a snapper on it especially when the tax man follows it up. I was trying to think of ways to get around this other than running a knocker rig(egg weight can slide to the hook). Here are three that I have though of:
  1. Pinch a small split shot 40 feet upline of your hoof so the egg weight can not go further. When reeling in just unpinch it off the line.
  2. Use a ballon holder on the line with a small drop loop coming off it holding a bank sinker.
  3. Tie a dropper loop on your leader and place a bank sinker on it, this allows kick removal of the bank sinker.

If you have tried these I would love to hear any feedback.
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Originally Posted by doctor_ake View Post
I think most fisherman hate hand lining a long(40+ foot) leader with a snapper on it especially when the tax man follows it up. I was trying to think of ways to get around this other than running a knocker rig(egg weight can slide to the hook). Here are three that I have though of:
  1. Pinch a small split shot 40 feet upline of your hoof so the egg weight can not go further. When reeling in just unpinch it off the line.
  2. Use a ballon holder on the line with a small drop loop coming off it holding a bank sinker.
  3. Tie a dropper loop on your leader and place a bank sinker on it, this allows kick removal of the bank sinker.

If you have tried these I would love to hear any feedback.
Could you use something like these to attach the weights? https://www.offshoretackle.com/snapweights.html
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Originally Posted by RobM1969 View Post
Could you use something like these to attach the weights? https://www.offshoretackle.com/snapweights.html
Interesting looking, but they only go up to 3 oz
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Originally Posted by doctor_ake View Post
Interesting looking, but they only go up to 3 oz
Just get long liner clips, or trot line clips and use any weight you want.
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I am going to go out on the limb here and say how much more productive is a 25 or 40ft leader versus a short say 2ft or 4ft leader?

I am just asking here as only been gulf fishing for past couple years and i only use about a 2-4ft leader for grouper or snapper even red snapper and seem to do just fine every trip???? But if i am missing something here then let me know and ill add some more leader if it = Bigger fish?
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Originally Posted by Lemonbayboating View Post
I am going to go out on the limb here and say how much more productive is a 25 or 40ft leader versus a short say 2ft or 4ft leader?

I am just asking here as only been gulf fishing for past couple years and i only use about a 2-4ft leader for grouper or snapper even red snapper and seem to do just fine every trip???? But if i am missing something here then let me know and ill add some more leader if it = Bigger fish?
It can make a huge difference here on the east coast of Florida, especially for mutton snapper. All my biggest snapper including reds were on longer leaders.
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Do you use a swivel from the line to the leader?

If so attach the weight with a small tie wrap, one that is strong enough to hold the bait down, but is easily yanked off by hand. Then just reel the leader in.

If you don't use a swivel, just leave a few inches of tag end off the knot make a little loop and attach the tie wrap there.

velcro should also work if you don't want to use a tie wrap.
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Interesting to say the least. Fishing the snapper banks off Savannah coast I use about a 5' leader of floro and I sometimes have to move spots from catching nothing but those rare & endangered red snapper (looking for mutton, grouper, trigger, etc) . I use a 8 oz weight right above my leader and if you are on the fish and hit the bottom go ahead and start reeling back up because you should have one on or your bait is gone.

Have you thought about trying a shorter leader at the same time as someone else fishing the longer leader to see if you really are getting more strikes with a 40' leader?
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I need to test this more to see how well it really works, but what I've done is use a rubber band looped through the bank sinker and then to my leader at about the length I want it. When you have a fish on, the rubber band and bank sinker slide down to the hook for easy retrieval. The down side is, if you snag, your lead is gone lol.
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Well i am going to do some testing of this theory on the gulf coast out of Venice FL.

Next time i am out i am going to put on a 20 ft leader versus my traditional 2ft or less leader and put the weight before the leader on main line see what happens.

if i pull up a hog then will be changing up tactics lol.

Right now i just run an egg sinker on my leader and let it slide around and have been sticking some nice fish but will be interesting to see always up for trying new things.
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It's a mutton snapper thing. They don't like the lead.
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Loop to loop connection and attach the weight with a black SS trigger snap.The in-line loops never tangle with the weights like a traditional served loop.A six inch spyder hitch loop on the main line and flouro will do.
Don't be tempted to you the cheap brass ones,you'll just lose weights.
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Originally Posted by Lemonbayboating View Post
I am going to go out on the limb here and say how much more productive is a 25 or 40ft leader versus a short say 2ft or 4ft leader?

I am just asking here as only been gulf fishing for past couple years and i only use about a 2-4ft leader for grouper or snapper even red snapper and seem to do just fine every trip???? But if i am missing something here then let me know and ill add some more leader if it = Bigger fish?

We would also normally use a 3ft to 4ft leader but we have found over some sandbanks with higher ridges in the sand that if a big current is running while we drift, a longer 10ft or 12ft leader can work better as it lets the bait trail right through the ridges on the bottom rather than passing over the lowest spots.
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Ive been a die hard snapper guy for years on the east coast.... my go to rig is a knocker and I routinely wreck the jumbo muttons and mangroves so personally I dont buy the whole "they are spooky" theory. My theory is its an old wives tale thatll never die.... like a bimini twist now adays. Now I do think in some situations it is advantageous especially with live bait is it can cover alot more bottom area with the bait having freedom to swim and I think thats why the long leader idea was born.

As to the question Ive thought about it myself but any idea that requires you remove something from the line to continue reeling kinda make it more sensible to go ahead and hand line it in.... unless you are fishing a super long leader then maybe itd be worth it. Maybe a bridle setup like for planers?
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Tie a Bimini and then attach the leader to the Bimini.

then tie a snap swivel to mono with a loop on the other end. Loop a bank sinker on.

cut the snap portion of the snap swivel so it’s just an upside down “U”.

then put the snap swivel into the loop created by the Bimini

this can go off and on easily and you can wind into the hook
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Originally Posted by gtrfred View Post
Tie a Bimini and then attach the leader to the Bimini.

then tie a snap swivel to mono with a loop on the other end. Loop a bank sinker on.

cut the snap portion of the snap swivel so it’s just an upside down “U”.

then put the snap swivel into the loop created by the Bimini

this can go off and on easily and you can wind into the hook
This is what I do.
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Originally Posted by FISHUNTR View Post
Ive been a die hard snapper guy for years on the east coast.... my go to rig is a knocker and I routinely wreck the jumbo muttons and mangroves so personally I dont buy the whole "they are spooky" theory. My theory is its an old wives tale thatll never die.... like a bimini twist now adays. Now I do think in some situations it is advantageous especially with live bait is it can cover alot more bottom area with the bait having freedom to swim and I think thats why the long leader idea was born.
Where on the east coast, though? Out of east CFL where you're minimum 15 miles off shore before you to get to any fishing grounds, I would agree with you. Down in South Florida and the keys where you're only a couple of miles off of the coast is where they seem to be leader/lead shy.
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Ft pierce, Stuart and Jupiter are where I fish... mostly FTP, and ironically most of the largest Muttons Ive caught were in less than 30' on a knocker. I saw a video a while back a pretty popular you tuber whos in the keys talking about the whole leader thing and did a vid putting down wire leader and had no issue catching them. Dont get me wrong Im not trying to convince you not to fish the long leader... if you have confidence in a rig or technique Im convinced that goes a long way to being successful
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you can use a small rubber core sinker on the line below the primary egg sinker to adjustt for extra length . and just reel with the egg sinker at your rod tip, pushing it down to the swivel . the ribber core willl slide down the line or can be quickly. removed
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Originally Posted by La Vida CR View Post
you can use a small rubber core sinker on the line below the primary egg sinker to adjustt for extra length . and just reel with the egg sinker at your rod tip, pushing it down to the swivel . the ribber core willl slide down the line or can be quickly. removed
Great idea! thanks!

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