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Old 01-17-2021, 06:22 AM
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Default Charter Captains - Question on cleaning fish after a trip

So If my client pick up and drop off is at a busy ramp, but I am not trailering the boat, can I legally clean the fish on my boat near the ramp? I don't want to have to take up space at the dock to clean the fish if it is a busy time, I am hoping I could just be near the dock, out of the way, deploy the TM and get out the fish cleaning table and clean the fish. But would this be legal?

This is in Florida.

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That would be a regulation question for the state you live in. Maryland has a provision in the regulations that allows us to clean fish on the boat as long as we save the carcasses whole
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Not sure about Florida but we did on Lake Michigan while we were running in. We had to keep the carcasses in a bucket till we got to shore. (Salmon fishing)
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In Florida, fish must be landed in whole condition, they can be gutted and gilled. I think you are SOL. But, you may be able to drop your anglers on the dock with their fish, then load the fish back on the boat and move away from the dock to clean them. You can argue that they were in fact landed, and then loaded back on the boat for cleaning.

I have a friend who lives on the water close to the ramp I use. I land teh fish at his dock, clean them and then put them back in my cooler to motor to the ramp and load the boat. Probably illegal but i will be traveling in a direction where the fish could not be caught, the carcass' will still be visible at my friends dock and if I come across a FWC Officer who wants to write a citation, we'll see him in court. The fish were landed in a whole condition and then transported as food in my boat.
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In Florida, if you are dealing with a regulated saltwater species -- basically a species with a size or bag limit, you MUST land the fish whole -- gutted as Jack Hexter says above is ok. You will be ticketed for a criminal misdemeanor by FWC if you have filets onboard. This is true even if you are tied to a dock as ridiculous as that is. The only exception is if you are coming back from the Bahamas with fillets and then you must be coming directly back with fishing gear stowed or unrigged. So Scrapper01 you're going to have to scrap this plan unfortunately. I personally think this rule is asinine but it is the law and FWC loves to screw people with this one. What's most offensive is that most fishermen don't know this law and wind up with a ticket for a criminal misdemeanor that they have to hire a lawyer and go to Court to fight, costing them a couple of thousand bucks.
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If they catch you with fillets your gonna have issues.

To maybe help avoid issues I would not transport the fillets from another dock to another location without the carcasses..

Remember, the intent of the law is to prevent poaching and allowing fillets on board would make it nearly impossible to determine specie or size.
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First question is why are you picking up your clients at a busy ramp if you are not trailering? Why not pay a marina to allow your customers to embark/disembark? That way, you can go back and use a fillet table properly while your customers chill at the marina rather than standing around a busy boat ramp while you filet their catch. Commercial Dockage is part of the cost of doing business in the charter world, and usually required by insurance of charter operators. i would find it quite odd if a guy picked me up from a boat ramp that he wasn’t using, then dropped me off, went a few yards away and filleted the fish then dropped it off to me... probably a one and done for me with that captain. I also don’t see what keeping the carcass is going to do for you if the law states fish must be kept whole.

You may live in the water and not have to use the ramp, but if you dont want your customers at your house, you should rent a commercial slip. If cannot justify the expense, raise your prices.

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Originally Posted by Smoke n Mirrors View Post
First question is why are you picking up your clients at a busy ramp if you are not trailering?
none of your business.

Why not pay a marina to allow your customers to embark/disembark? That way, you can go back and use a fillet table properly while your customers chill at the marina rather than standing around a busy boat ramp while you filet their catch.
I dont have to.

Commercial Dockage is part of the cost of doing business in the charter world, and usually required by insurance of charter operators.
Not necessarily.


i would find it quite odd if a guy picked me up from a boat ramp that he wasn’t using, then dropped me off, went a few yards away and filleted the fish then dropped it off to me... probably a one and done for me with that captain.
Are you a Charter Captain?

I also don’t see what keeping the carcass is going to do for you if the law states fish must be kept whole.
I didn't say anything about that.

Honestly, the whole thing seems pretty bush league to me. You may live in the water and not have to use the ramp, but if you dont want your customers at your house, you should rent a commercial slip. If cannot justify the expense, raise your prices.
Maybe, I know plenty of charter captains that pick up at ramps, maybe you need to get out a little.

Attitudes and tones like yours the reason many people hate The Hull Truth.

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Call FWC, request that they dispatch your phone call to a game warden in your area. You are likely to get an accurate and quick answer from the warden. If he/she says it is allowed, then be sure to note their name. I had a complicated hunting regs question recently, spent hours on the internet attempting to solve the issue. My curiosity was satisfied after two minutes on the phone with the warden.
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Originally Posted by scrapper01 View Post
Maybe, I know plenty of charter captains that pick up at ramps, maybe you need to get out a little.

Attitudes and tones like yours the reason many people hate The Hull Truth.
I had been a mate for several years, its offshore charters, good friend owns multiple boats is now my tax client, and have tax clients that are guides in Everglades National Park & Chokoloskee, where they pay Glades Haven to launch and bring clients, Offshore charters leave from a commercial dock. I have also chartered inshore and offshore, both hete and internationally. Here in Fla, particularly Dade County, you are not allowed to use a public ramp for commercial purposes, and if you pick up a charter you have to pay the park with the boat ramp for

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Fosh must remain intact the whole time on boatd, unless comi g from Bahamas, where the skin must be left on to identify filets, and all fishing equipment must be stowed.

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Originally Posted by Smoke n Mirrors View Post
I had been a mate for several years, its offshore charters, good friend owns multiple boats is now my tax client, and have tax clients that are guides in Everglades National Park & Chokoloskee, where they pay Glades Haven to launch and bring clients, so yes I have experience. Offshore charters leave from a commercial dock. I have also chartered inshore and offshore, both hete and internationally. Here in Fla, particularly Dade County, you are not allowed to use a public ramp for commercial purposes, and if you pick up a charter you have to pay the park with the boat ramp for its use.

while you may know a lot of people who do it one way, that doesn’t mean its the right or legal way to do it. Its attitude like yours where you ask for advice and are shown the legal and proper way to do it, but you don’t like it so you disagree and blame others for pointing it out, that make you look like a know it all, “I don’t care what the rules are”, don’t care what it looks like to my customers, that will keep
you as a small operation just scraping by. Put the $ into your business and do it tje right way, you will be better off for it in the long run. Til then, you will be the guy fileting fish on board while his customers wait in the parking lot of a busy boat ramp. Nice business model you have there!

And attitudes like yours where because I lnow others who do ot so it must be right show your ignorance, which is not a defense for illegal activity you are performing when using public ramp for private business purposes, and for fileting your catch on board. Just dont be cheap and spend the $ to provide a total experience for your clients. I will say it again, what you do is BUSH LEAGUE!!

OMG, listen to yourself...All I did was ask a question and you turned it into my current business model, You have some serious issues, dude. Maybe get out on the water, and stop answering questions meant for real charter captains because you once worked as a first mate, LOL.
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I live 5 minutes to the ocean.I dont want customers at my home and in my house.I rent a slip that is 15 minutes to the gulf that we pick up,drop off and fillet.It costs more but its worth it.I bring the boat over early and bring it back after were done with customers.Lift it out of the water and start over again the next day.Capt.Mike
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Originally Posted by scrapper01 View Post
Maybe, I know plenty of charter captains that pick up at ramps, maybe you need to get out a little.

Attitudes and tones like yours the reason many people hate The Hull Truth.
Very good rebuttal capt.
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Good lord. Crazy comments here. Yes there are unfortunate regulations that make it hard for you to run your business and keep your customers happy. Seems crazy you can’t clean fish with the dock insight if you keep the evidence.

About how you run your charter business why is this any different from the a street vendor selling on a busy street? The people that are using the charter and eating the food seem to feel it’s ok. What’s the problem.
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I apologize, I shouldnt have come off so strong.m, wasn’t having a good day when I posted earlier. But there are some things you gotta think about to be good with the man. Maybe dock access is easier yo remt by me and more plentiful. I do know the guys who pay big rent for the dock space are very protective of them. Wish you best of luck on all your trips.
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Originally Posted by Smoke n Mirrors View Post
I apologize, I shouldnt have come off so strong.m, wasn’t having a good day when I posted earlier. But there are some things you gotta think about to be good with the man. Maybe dock access is easier yo remt by me and more plentiful. I do know the guys who pay big rent for the dock space are very protective of them. Wish you best of luck on all your trips.
peace man, stressful times for every one. I am coughing every 30 seconds fighting off COVID. Strange times
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It's done ALL the time here in Florida, drop party off, back off dock so others can use it, clean fish...NEVER had an issue....
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Originally Posted by slickster View Post
It's done ALL the time here in Florida, drop party off, back off dock so others can use it, clean fish...NEVER had an issue....
thanks, good to know
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Scrapper01, while Slickster may get lucky up in St. Augustine, down here in Miami FWC is all over the place and you will get. your misdemeanor ticket if you fillet your fish on your boat even at the dock. You simply have to clean the fish ON LAND. Feel free to do what you want, but I've seen what happens.

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