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Old 01-01-2021, 10:32 AM
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I am in the process of relocating to the Tampa Bay area from the Northeast. Boat is a mid 30s express. Currently have TLD15s, International 30s, International 50s (all stand up), Penn 113 with wire line on 8.5 foot rods for bunker spoons, Penn International Bait Casters, 8-15 pound spinners. Question, do I need anything to supplement this for fishing in the Gulf? I know it depends somewhat I am targeting, but am looking to see if I have any gaps that I need to fill to be prepared for anything, as today I fish for everything fromwinter flounder to tuna/shark depending on season and weather. I anticipate I will do the same with the limiting factorbeing where I can take the boat without the water getting too skinny.
Old 01-01-2021, 12:36 PM
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We are really a bottom fishery - not much trolling other than for kingfish and grouper. Occasionally run into small blackfin tuna, but donít really troll for them - usually picked up on a live bait on flatline while bottom fishing. Your Internationals are going to be really oversized and just too heavy/bulky to hold all day while bottom fishing. You need to be able to fish heavy line with a lot of drag, but donít need much line capacity. You would probably be better served switching to smaller jigging style reels that can fish braid. 300 yards is way more than enough, and most times you could get away with just enough capacity to reach the bottom. Star drags work better for bottom fishing than lever drags. You really want at least 25# drag, with more than that ideal. Something like the Torium PGA would be a great choice.

I primarily fish 3 outfits here:
1 - 4000 spinning reel, 7í rod, 20# line: inshore species, pitch rod for mahi when we run into them, snapper rod when they are being picky.
2 - Conventional reel loaded with 50# braid, 6í6Ē 20-50# rod: general snapper, nearshore bottom rod.
3 - Conventional reel loaded with 80# braid, 6í6Ē 50-80# rod: Grouper, amberjack, sharks.

I also have a set of 8000 spinning reels on 20-40# rods that I mainly use for tarpon and lighter bottom fishing with guests who arenít comfortable using conventional gear.

Your current setup doesnít necessarily have gaps in it for the type of fishing we do, but just isnít optimal. Itís going to be big and bulky. Grouper and AJs donít really look like you need 80# gear until you hook one. The thing is you have about 2 seconds to winch them off the rocks before they make it to their hole and you lose them. You can certainly do it with a big international, but it would be a tiring day. You could definitely just start with what you have, but my suspicion is you will eventually want to sell some of it for gear better optimized for the type of fishing we do here.

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Old 01-02-2021, 04:41 PM
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Put the Penn 4/0's on bottom rods and spool with 50# mono for grouper digging. A lot of people prefer smaller reels and braid but that setup has probably caught 10x more grouper over the years.

How do you feel about multiple day trips, and how is your range?

There is blue water fishing here but the distances to the grounds are pretty extreme.

You would be using the light spinning and bait casting outfits, TLD 15's, and 4/0s (once set up for grouper fishing) probably 90% of the time, but if you could swing a trip 100-130 miles out once or twice a year you would be glad to have the international setups.
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You might just sell all the 30s + 50s now and use the proceeds to start a Fla quiver.


While I know next to nothing about exactly what you'll need, I do think you will want to be able to cover top water mid depth and bottom all at the same time. With multiple rods pre rigged for each specific purpose. I wouldn't go gearing up until you see what works. The 4/0's and 15's are idea for you. Not sure about your stand up rods. As you know reels hold their value, rods not so much. So maybe hold onto them till you find out if they work for you while bottom fishing
Old 01-03-2021, 10:28 AM
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Thanks for all of the replies.

WRT multiple day trips, I fish the canyons in the northeast now, so I am fine with overnighting.
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if you have a mid 30's express and your from the northeast then there is nothing here on the gulf coast that will surprise you. there is plenty of pelagic fishing out there with blackfins and wahoo starting at about 50 miles and then other species as you go deeper. there are only a small % of fisherman on this coast who want to go that far and fish for pelagics. most folks here are geared towards bottom fishing but your already beyond that mind set so skys the limit. all of your gear will be useful, although the wire line stuff is a bit antiquated with most folks using braid and lead these days. also, the wire line stuff is used mainly for higher speed trolling and covering relatively concentrated fishy water. because of the very gradual (slow) depth transition here you won't be so lucky to find that type of easily trolled structure. you'll mostly be covering much more ground here so high speeds get expensive. aside from that, the more you troll the more bottom you get to look at which will help you build your book of numbers. there are a lot of opputunities here and sounds like you enjoy quite a few different types of fishing. i think you'll have a lot of fun. btw, might want to keep you eyes out for a cheap inshore boat. i don't think you'll be running a mid 30's express inshore around these parts
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Crossbones thanks for the info. I have no issue heading offshore. I actually enjoy clearing my mind on the run in and out. Nothing to think about but keeping an eye out.

I assumed the wireline was somewhat out, as the rig is set up to troll bunker spoons for striped bass. I also have braid on some trolling rods that I use off flat lines when trolling.
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The issue isnít that there arenít pelagics in this coast, but they are really far out. The previous poster referenced 50 miles. That only puts you in about 125í of water. I am sure someone picks up an rare wahoo in that depth, but itís definitely an exception. Similarly we run into mahi and blackfin in those depths, but they are small and often pretty scattered. Usually you pick them up on a live bait flatlined or a jig. The guys who really target pelagics are going out much, much further. Even then, the fishery isn't really comparable to the NE canyons. It mostly comes down to economics. You can run 200-300 miles round trip, and troll, and troll, and troll, and maybe come home with an OK haul. Or you can run out 20-40 miles and fill your cooler with grouper and snapper. Iíd rather just bottom fish around here, and put the saved gas money towards an east coast charter.
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Some pelagics can be had at 50 but its going to be really hit or miss.

I fish pretty much >100nm exclusively now. Your canyon runs were maybe 70-80NM with well established structure to troll around. Not the case out in the eastern GoM.

First, our slope is ~30ft for every 10NM offshore. You don't get deep until 100NM. Then its starts to drop pretty quick from there.

Be prepared to cover a lot of water. I don't know how much fuel your rig can carry. That is a factor for you.

If you don't have so already, get a subscription to one of the services like Roffs, RipCharts or any of the number of vendors. You don't want to drive out there blind. In this respect we have similarities. Look for the rips, breaks and choloro. That's where the bait is, that is where he predators are going to be. Nothing new for you there.

As a back up to trolling, we do a lot of deep dropping out there.

So, yeah depending on your range (fuel capacity and efficiency) you may not be able to get out there and troll like you did off NY and NJ. If that;s the case I would listen to what the other guys have said here re: bottom digging for grouppahs and snappahs


edit to add: we have a really good thread on trolling and fishing out there.
anyone trolling the steps or elbow or middle grounds in the gulf?

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